[tz] Ministry of Digital Development and Communications, the Government of Mongolia

fr fr at mddc.gov.mn
Wed Sep 20 03:29:31 UTC 2023

Dear Mr. Paul, 
Thank you for you prompt response. 
The Government of Mongolia is planning to switch to the summer time schedule which also switch back in the autumn. Therefore, once we publish the official decision in October, we will contact you as soon as possible for the process. 
Thank you again for your kind efforts. 
Ms. Ariuntuul 
Foreign Cooperation Division 
Ministry of Digital Development and Communications 
The Government of Mongolia 
Tel: +976 51 260636 


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From: Paul <eggert at cs.ucla.edu>
To: Ariuntuul <fr at mddc.gov.mn>
Cc: Delgermaa.G <delgermaa.g at mddc.gov.mn>; Time <tz at iana.org>
Date: Wednesday, 20 September 2023 5:12 AM +08
Subject: Re: [tz] Ministry of Digital Development and Communications, the Government of Mongolia

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On 2023-09-19 01:00, fr via tz wrote: 
> The Government of Mongolia is planning to switch to the regular summer time from 22-26 March, 2024. Currently, the discussions are made within the Government as well as at the Parliament. We expect that final decision will be made in the October. Therefore, is it possible to arrange the switching process in the next 5 months? Is there any extraordinary cases like us or not? Or shall we make our changes in the September 2024? 

Thank you for letting us know. 

If the Mongolian government publishes its official decision in October 
and notifies us, we can generate a new TZDB release quickly. However, it 
will take some months for this release to trickle out to cell phones, 
computers, and other devices, because many intermediaries check TZDB 
data before redistributing it, and because users often wait for some 
time before installing updates. This is why we suggest a year's notice 
for changes. (Even a year's notice is not perfect, as some devices will 
never be updated, but one cannot wait forever.) 

With five months' notice many devices will be updated, but it is hard to 
predict how many. So it is a judgment call as to whether five months is 
enough for Mongolia. Although the TZDB project suggests twelve months' 
notice, this is not a strict requirement. 

Although it is not clear from your email, I guess that the government of 
Mongolia plans to switch its time zone permanently, so that clocks in 
Ulaanbaatar would move forward one hour on (say) March 29, 2025 at 02:00 
local time, and that no further clock adjustments would occur 
afterwards. That is, Ulaanbaatar would simply change its time zone from 
8 to 9 hours ahead of UTC on a designated date and time. 

If my guess is correct, it might be better for Mongolia to change its 
clocks in spring and not in autumn, as moving clocks forward in autumn 
works against the normal pattern of sunsets coming earlier in autumn. 

Also, it would make sense to review "Costs and benefits of time shifts", 
which summarizes scientific reviews of whether and when to change time 
zones. Please see: 


Finally, I echo Nick's request in 
<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2023-September/033044.html> for any 
information your government has about past time changes and boundaries 
between time zones in Mongolia, so we can correct any mistakes in TZDB 
concerning your country. 

Thank you.   
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