<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">We're talking in the specific context here, Indonesian audience, and they know what WIB means, in your language: UTC+7; they only know one WIT, that is UTC+9. They don't know that WIT is UTC+7 in English language, and basically, no one ever regulate WIT is Western Indonesian Time, hence WIT is always Waktu Indonesia Timur <span style="font-style: italic;">in this context</span><span style="font-style: italic;"></span>. Here we're talking privately, I've posted my suggestion on the tz mailing-list (it should have been posted yesterday, only today I found out that I pressed reply, and replied to myself, instead of to the mailing-list. Some weird setting on the mailing list, the reply-to is not set correctly to reply to the mailing-list. Thus today I've forwarded it again to the list. You should have received it by now). Instead of replying
to me, I'd prefer discuss it with the whole list members.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div>___________________<br><br>Regards,<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">benny</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tobias Conradi <mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Benny <bknliem@yahoo.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:43 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading<br> </font> </div> <br>
> Most people doesn't know what UTC+7 means, they need something that would<br>> make more sense, thus the acronym of the timezone,<br>I bet 1000 USD, that for any acronym most people would not know that<br>it identifies an Indonesian time zone.<br><br>> thus the WIB/WIT problem.<br>> I've posted a recap of past discussion (sorry for double posting), and<br>> suggest a change in the English abbreviation.<br>Does your suggestion include a proposal for a new abbreviation? Is<br>that somewhere online?<br><br>-- <br>Tobias Conradi<br>Rheinsberger Str. 18<br>10115 Berlin<br>Germany<br><br>http://tobiasconradi.com<br><br><br><div><span>Most people doesn't know what UTC+7 means, they need something that would make more sense, thus the acronym of the <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1360825189_0">timezone</span>,
thus the WIB/WIT problem. I've posted a recap of past discussion (sorry
for double posting), and suggest a change in the English abbreviation.<br></span></div><div> </div><div>___________________<br><br>Regards,<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">benny</span></div><div><br></div> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tobias Conradi <<a href="mailto:mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span id="lw_1360825189_1" class="yshortcuts">mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com</span></a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Benny <<a href="mailto:bknliem@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span id="lw_1360825189_2" class="yshortcuts">bknliem@yahoo.com</span></a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1360825189_3">Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:06 PM</span><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym
is misleading<br> </font> </div> <br>
> That's not the normal way to do it.<br>Maybe. If everyone would do what is normal, there would be no innovation.<br><br>> It doesn't solve the problem.<br><br>The problem was posted as:<br>"When setting a wiki's timezone to Asia/Jakarta (UTC+7),<br> signatures get marked with (WIT)"<br><br>I suggested to remove WIT.<br><br>Where do you think this "doesn't solve the problem"?<br><br><br>-- <br>Tobias Conradi<br>Rheinsberger Str. 18<br>10115 Berlin<br>Germany<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://tobiasconradi.com/"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1360825189_4">http://tobiasconradi.com</span></a><br><br><br><div><span>That's not the normal way to do it. It doesn't solve the problem.<br></span></div><div> </div><div>___________________<br><br>Regards,<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">benny</span></div><div><br></div> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tobias
Conradi <<a href="mailto:mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span id="lw_1360825143_0" class="yshortcuts">mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com</span></a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Benny <<a href="mailto:bknliem@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span id="lw_1360825143_1" class="yshortcuts">bknliem@yahoo.com</span></a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:24 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1360825143_2">timezone</span> acronym is misleading<br> </font>
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"When setting a wiki's timezone to Asia/Jakarta (UTC+7), signatures get marked<br>with (WIT)"<br><br>Change the MediaWiki marker? This also affects other languages/regions<br>where markers might be meaningless to locals. Write "UTC+7" and done?<br><br>Tobias<br><br>On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Benny <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:bknliem@yahoo.com">bknliem@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The acronym used in Asia/Jakarta timezone is WIT (Western Indonesian Time),<br>> where in Indonesian language, WIT means Waktu Indonesia Timur (Eastern<br>> Indonesian Time), so it's rather confusing, especially if the conversation<br>> (say in Indonesian Wikipedia) is done in Indonesian language, and the user<br>> add a signature with the timemark, it will assume WIT is the Indonesian<br>> abbreviation, which is of course not.<br>><br>> Noted in: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758">https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758</a><br>> First noted in: <a target="_blank" href="http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1360825143_3">http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791</span></a> (2005)<br>><br>> ___________________<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> benny<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Tobias Conradi<br>Rheinsberger Str. 18<br>10115 Berlin<br>Germany<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://tobiasconradi.com/"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1360825143_4">http://tobiasconradi.com</span></a><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>