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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I unfortunately have run into the same
problem with my own product. I'm very interested in knowing as
well how this should be interpretted.<br>
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On 2013-10-02 19:29, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yoshito_umaoka@us.ibm.com">yoshito_umaoka@us.ibm.com</a> wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:OFD2F18303.C4323A39-ON85257BF8.007DBD19-85257BF8.00813F94@lotus.com"
type="cite"><tt><font size="2">When I tried to import tzdata2013g
into our project,
I realized 2013g Morocco rule change revealed our tooling
problem.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Our tool tries to extract a set of rules to be
applied
beyond year 2038, and expecting either no "max" rule or a pair
of "max" rules. However, Africa/Casablanca with 2013g update
introduced a case not fall into above - only a single "max"
rule.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Of course, tzcode works fine and it's our
tooling
issue. My problem is how we should interpret the rule.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Below is a part of Morocco rules:</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2013 only
- Jul
7
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2013 only
- Aug
10
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2013 2035
- Oct
lastSun 3:00 0
-</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2014 2022
- Mar
lastSun 2:00 1:00
S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2014 only
- Jun
29
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2014 only
- Jul
29
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2015 only
- Jun
18
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2015 only
- Jul
18
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2016 only
- Jun
7
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2016 only
- Jul
7
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2017 only
- May
27
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2017 only
- Jun
26
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2018 only
- May
16
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2018 only
- Jun
15
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2019 only
- May
6
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2019 only
- Jun
5
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2020 only
- Apr
24
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2020 only
- May
24
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2021 only
- Apr
13
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2021 only
- May
13
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2022 only
- Apr
3
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2022 only
- May
3
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2023 only
- Apr
22
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2024 only
- Apr
10
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2025 only
- Mar
31
2:00 1:00 S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2026 max
- Mar
lastSun 2:00 1:00
S</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2036 only
- Oct
21
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2037 only
- Oct
11
3:00 0 -</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">If I read above, the rule applicable 2038 and
beyond
is only </font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">> Rule Morocco
2026 max
- Mar
lastSun 2:00 1:00
S</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Therefore, if I read this as is,
Africa/Casablanca
will be permanent daylight saving time after 2038-03-28.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">I know the tz database is trying to cover dates
up
to 2037 (max signed integer seconds). Also, rules used in far
future are
not really useful. But users like us really need to make a
certain assumption
for far future dates.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">I'm actually not 100% sure if we can still use
the
tz database for year 2038 and beyond, or if the tz database
has no support
/ desire for make it work beyond 2038. My comments below is
based on the
assumption that the tz database just set 2038 as the threshold
for rule
coverage, but not trying to introduce the hard barrier.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">One thing I'm not comfortable is that the rules
above
will result permanent daylight saving time. If the max line
rule were written
like below -</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Rule Morocco
2026 2037
- Mar
lastSun 2:00 1:00
S</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">it makes better sense to me. The rule above
indicates
the last transition is on 2037-10-11, then it will stay in
standard time
beyond 2038. This is perfectly equivalent to what 2013g
defined until 2038.
Only the difference is 2038-03-28 (out of signed 32bit integer
seconds)
and beyond.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">I would like to ask the tz database
coordinators to
select rule line more friendly for users using the database
for 2038 and
beyond.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Thanks,</font></tt>
<br>
<tt><font size="2">Yoshito</font></tt>
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