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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>TZDB doesn't track display names. This is the realm of CLDR.<div><br></div><div>The choice of your Android example to show the TZDB identifier directly is a function of that particular example. I'm not sure if you mean the Android OS, or an app running on Android, but either way it wouldn't matter. If it wanted to show something other than America/Sao_Paulo to the end user, it should get that information from a localization data resource - which is what CLDR is all about.</div><div><a href="http://cldr.unicode.org/" target="_blank">http://cldr.unicode.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">There are reasons for why the zones are named as they are. You may wish to read:</span></div><div><a href="http://www.iana.org/time-zones/repository/tz-link.html" target="_blank">http://www.iana.org/time-zones/repository/tz-link.html</a></div><div><a href="https://github.com/eggert/tz/blob/master/Theory#L47-L167" target="_blank">https://github.com/eggert/tz/blob/master/Theory#L47-L167</a></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#Names_of_time_zones" target="_blank" style="font-size: 12pt;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#Names_of_time_zones</a></div><div><br></div><div>If you search the tz list archive, you'll see this has been discussed many times in the past also:</div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/#q=site:http:%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftz%2F+brasilia" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/#q=site:http:%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftz%2F+brasilia</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: marcio.ikeda@lge.com<br>To: mj1856@hotmail.com; silverpie2@mac.com<br>CC: tz@iana.org<br>Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:05:25 -0400<br>Subject: RE: [tz] Timezone in Brazil<br><br>
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Guys,</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Thank you for clarifications. Let me try to exemplify the problem.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">It is strange that in Brazil we have 4 major timezone areas:</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Fernando de Noronha (GMT -2) -> America/Noronha</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Brasilia (GMT -3) -> America/Sao_Paulo</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Amazonas (GMT -4) -> America/Manaus</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Acre (GMT -5) -> America/Rio_Branco</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Manaus is capital of Amazonas</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Rio Branco is capital of Acre</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Brasilia is capital of Brazil and in state of Goias</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Fernando de Noronha is an island</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">People in Brazil, call it as “Horario de Brasilia” as the main timezone.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">In Windows it displays Brasilia for user.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">In iOS has the Brasilia entry as well.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">In Android (my interested area) the timezone list uses Exemplar location, so “Sao Paulo” is shown.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I don`t know how other systems manages timezones. But it is sure that there is some mismatching.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">What do you guys think ?</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">An entry like America/Brasilia, mapping to America/Sao_Paulo and changing displayName would be the solution ?</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Thanks in advance.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Marcio Ikeda</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> Matt Johnson [mailto:mj1856@hotmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> sexta-feira, 9 de outubro de 2015 16:43<br><b>To:</b> J Andrew Lipscomb; MARCIO IKEDA/LGESP R&D GSM SW(marcio.ikeda@lge.com)<br><b>Cc:</b> tz@iana.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [tz] Timezone in Brazil</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Hi Marcio!</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">"Metazone" is a CLDR term. See:</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/tr35-dates.html#Metazone_Names" target="_blank">http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/tr35-dates.html#Metazone_Names</a></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><a href="http://unicode.org/repos/cldr/trunk/common/supplemental/metaZones.xml" target="_blank">http://unicode.org/repos/cldr/trunk/common/supplemental/metaZones.xml</a></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">CLDR depends on TZDB, but not vice-versa.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">You may also be interested in:</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Brazil" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Brazil</a></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Cheers!</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">-Matt</span></p><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" id="ecxstopSpelling"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:silverpie2@mac.com"><span lang="EN-US">silverpie2@mac.com</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><br>Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:04:54 -0400<br>To: </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:marcio.ikeda@lge.com"><span lang="EN-US">marcio.ikeda@lge.com</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><br>CC: </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:tz@iana.org"><span lang="EN-US">tz@iana.org</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><br>Subject: Re: [tz] Timezone in Brazil</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">This is one of the most common questions we get. Being the capital is not meaningful--it's the largest city in the zone that names it. Thus, Brasilia would be in the São Paulo (or Rio de Janeiro) zone. (Similarly, Washington DC is in the New York zone, and Ottawa in the Toronto zone.)<br><br>Envoyé de mon iPad</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><br>Le 8 oct. 2015 à 17:21, MARCIO IKEDA <<a href="mailto:marcio.ikeda@lge.com">marcio.ikeda@lge.com</a>> a écrit :</span></p></div><blockquote style=""><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">This is Marcio Ikeda from LG Electronics in Brazil.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Nice to meet you!</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">I would like to know if there are some background history for timezones in Brazil.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">It seems that Brasilia city which is the capital, is only treated as a metaZone and not a timeZone.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">I would like to know if are there some discussions on why </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">America/Brasilia is not in the list.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">And if It is possible to include it.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">This is causing people from QA here to question this.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Thank you!</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:115%;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;">Marcio Ikeda</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:115%;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959;">Software Engineer | UIFW – LGESP SCA R&D Lab</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:115%;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959;">Office: + 55 11 2202 5339</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:115%;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959;">Mobile:+ 55 11 9 9966 6457</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:115%;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959;">E-mail: <a href="mailto:marcio.ikeda@lge.com">marcio.ikeda@lge.com</a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"LG Smart";color:#595959;"><image001.jpg></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"LG Smart";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"LG Smart";color:#1F497D;">LG ELECTRONICS DO BRASIL</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"LG Smart";color:#595959;">Av. 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