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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Eric M.,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Matt is correct. You should adjust your map such that the northern boundary of America/Dawson_Creek aligns with the northern boundary of the Peace River Regional District (PRRD).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>This is a map that I created back in 2011; I shared it on this same mailing list at the time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=212137821026080676505.00049e218aa6e439340d4">http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=212137821026080676505.00049e218aa6e439340d4</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The green area represents the entire Peace River Regional District (PRRD).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The red outline represents my definition of the Peace River time zone area (a.k.a. America/Dawson_Creek).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Questions have recently been asked about the western boundary for America/Dawson_Creek.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Specifically, Steve Jones recently asked me in a separate e-mail why my map does not extend the Peace River time zone area (America/Dawson_Creek) west to include the entire PRRD.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Steve apparently had a conversation with the GIS Coordinator for the PRRD; Steve was told that “full MST applies to the entire PRRD”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I do not agree with the statement that full MST (year-round Mountain Standard Time) applies to the entire PRRD.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>There is one (and only one) community in the western half of the PRRD; it is the isolated community of Fort Ware (also known as Kwadacha). It has a population of about 270.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Wikipedia states that Mountain Time is observed year-round in “most of Peace River Regional District (except Fort Ware)”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Canada#Mountain_Time_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Canada#Mountain_Time_Zone</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I phoned the Kwadacha Nation Band Office today. The office is located in Fort Ware. I spoke with a lady who told me that Fort Ware keeps the clocks in sync with Vancouver (PST/PDT). Wikipedia is therefore correct.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>When I created my map in 2011, I drew the time zone boundary though the Muskwa and Hart mountain ranges; that correctly put Fort Ware on the west side of the boundary and all other communities in the PRRD on the east side.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskwa_Ranges">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskwa_Ranges</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Ranges">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Ranges</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I used topographical maps to try and keep the line running right along the watershed boundaries. The watershed boundaries are (by definition) always high up in the mountains where few people venture.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I don’t see any reason to make any changes to my map. People are still free to use it, copy it, or ignore it as they see fit!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>And for those that are interested:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Fort Ware is one of the most remote Canadian communities outside of the Artic.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The only land based connection to rest of the world is a 400km logging road that takes 8 to 10 hours to navigate.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I cannot say I have ever made the trip myself.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>-chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> tz-bounces@iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Johnson<br><b>Sent:</b> November 8, 2015 08:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Zoidsoft<br><b>Cc:</b> tz@iana.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [tz] efele.net/tz maps updated<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes, many thanks Eric! Though I think there's a slight correction needed for to extend the America/Dawson_Creek north to America/Fort_Nelson boundary, per Chris Walton: </span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-March/016744.html" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-March/016744.html</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>@Zoidsoft - It's not clear whether Geonames uses Eric's tz maps or not, but either way it isn't yet reporting correctly for America/Fort_Nelson:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://api.geonames.org/timezoneJSON?lat=58.80533&lng=-122.7002&username=demo" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://api.geonames.org/timezoneJSON?lat=58.80533&lng=-122.7002&username=demo</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>Currently it returns America/Vancouver.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So does Google:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/timezone/json?location=58.80533,-122.7002&timestamp=1446969600" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/timezone/json?location=58.80533,-122.7002&timestamp=1446969600</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>There's a list of similar offerings here:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16086962/how-to-get-a-time-zone-from-a-location-using-latitude-and-longitude-coordinates" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16086962/how-to-get-a-time-zone-from-a-location-using-latitude-and-longitude-coordinates</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From: </span><a href="mailto:zoidsoft@gmail.com"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>zoidsoft@gmail.com</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:24:45 -0500 <br>CC: </span><a href="mailto:tz@iana.org"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>tz@iana.org</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>Subject: Re: [tz] efele.net/tz maps updated<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I wonder if Geonames.org updated to use the new data yet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Mark Davis </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><img border=0 width=19 height=19 id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://a.gfx.ms/emoji_02615.png" alt="Hot beverage"></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>️</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <</span><a href="mailto:mark@macchiato.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>mark@macchiato.com</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Very nice!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#888888'><br clear=all></span><span class=ecxhoenzb><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Eric Muller <</span><a href="mailto:eric.muller@efele.net" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>eric.muller@efele.net</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have updated the </span><a href="http://efele.net/tz" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>efele.net/tz</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> maps (</span><a href="http://efele.net/maps/tz/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://efele.net/maps/tz/</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>) to be in sync with TZ 2015g. The new zones:<br><br>Pacific/Bougainville<br>Asia/Chita<br>Asia/Srednekolymsk<br>America/Fort_Nelson<br>Antarctica/Troll<span style='color:#888888'><br><br>Eric.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>