<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br>On 16 February 2016 at 02:25, Paul Eggert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eggert@cs.ucla.edu" target="_blank">eggert@cs.ucla.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I really doubt whether they'll think they're on Samara time. Samara is roughly a 17-hour nonstop drive north. That would be like people in San Diego thinking that they're on Portland time.</blockquote></div><br>That's not a particular obstacle; we already use SAMT for the Udmurt Republic as well, and Samara is an 8-hour drive south of its largest city, Izhevsk. The two areas aren't contiguous as it is; adding a third would not seem to be a concern.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 February 2016 at 11:37, Paul Eggert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eggert@cs.ucla.edu" target="_blank">eggert@cs.ucla.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I would like to remove all invented abbreviations from the database in due course, not just the invented Russian abbreviations.</blockquote></div><br>I agree with the general sentiment I've seen here a few times that, e.g., "UTC+0400" is preferable to "+0400" which is preferable to "+04"; the latter are wholly redundant with the "<font face="monospace, monospace">%z</font>" and "<font face="monospace, monospace">%:::z</font>" format strings offered by <font face="monospace, monospace">date</font>, so I see no good reason to manually encode that data a second time as strings.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">If we want to "get out of the abbreviation business," I think that's an argument for improving our toolchain accordingly, rather than shoving this into the legacy system. Insofar as SAMT is already a perfectly good (albeit invented) abbreviation for this purpose, perhaps this is a transition which should be planned out more and rolled-out together across a wider set of zones once our toolchain can support it.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div>--<br>Tim Parenti<br></div></div>
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