<div dir="ltr">Hi, I'm trying to get the .lz file and the link in git (<a href="https://github.com/eggert/tz/tree/2016g">https://github.com/eggert/tz/tree/2016g</a>) is <br><pre><a href="ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdb-latest.tar.lz">ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdb-latest.tar.lz</a><br><br></pre><pre><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">But I browsed in there (</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdb-latest.tar.lz">ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz</a>) and there seems to be no .lz file.</font><br></pre><div><div class="gmail_extra">Vic Kovacs<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:57 AM, <a href="mailto:tz-request@iana.org">tz-request@iana.org</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:tz.kovacsbv.30ca297cb3.tz-request#iana.org@ob.0sg.net">tz.kovacsbv.30ca297cb3.tz-request#iana.org@ob.0sg.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Send tz mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball<br>
(Deborah Goldsmith)<br>
2. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball<br>
(Alexander Belopolsky)<br>
3. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball<br>
(Alexander Belopolsky)<br>
4. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball<br>
(Alexander Belopolsky)<br>
5. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball (Random832)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:24:51 -0700<br>
From: Deborah Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:goldsmit@apple.com">goldsmit@apple.com</a>><br>
To: Russ Allbery <<a href="mailto:eagle@eyrie.org">eagle@eyrie.org</a>><br>
Cc: Time zone mailing list <<a href="mailto:tz@iana.org">tz@iana.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tz] [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball<br>
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As far as I can tell, lzip is only used on Linux. There are no tools that ship with macOS or Windows (out of the box) that can decode it.<br>
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Adopting lzip as the primary format at this point seems like a statement that only Linux matters.<br>
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Debbie<br>
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> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Russ Allbery <<a href="mailto:eagle@eyrie.org">eagle@eyrie.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Deborah Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:goldsmit@apple.com">goldsmit@apple.com</a>> writes:<br>
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>> Maybe we should wait until lzip is widely available before adopting it?<br>
><br>
>> Meanwhile, bzip2 is already widely adopted, and is smaller than gzip.<br>
><br>
> My impression is that bzip2 is dying and offers no great advantages at<br>
> this point. Those who are looking for the best compression are using<br>
> either xz or lzip. Those who care primarily about backward compatibility<br>
> are using gzip. bzip2 is falling between those two stools: it's much<br>
> newer than gzip and not as widely-supported, and it's larger (and I think<br>
> slower to decompress although I could be wrong) than either xz or lzip.<br>
><br>
> I would not introduce bzip2 into anything that wasn't already using it at<br>
> this point.<br>
><br>
> I think the current plan is a good one: stick with gzip for the supported,<br>
> stable distribution, add an experimental distribution that can play around<br>
> with compression and contents, and worry later (possibly much later) about<br>
> when the stable distribution might be worth changing. At some point, gzip<br>
> will probably go the way of compress, but we're not there yet. (It will<br>
> probably take longer than the replacement of compress with gzip took,<br>
> since there aren't patent issues driving the matter the way that there<br>
> were for compress.)<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Russ Allbery (<a href="mailto:eagle@eyrie.org">eagle@eyrie.org</a>) <<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://www.eyrie.org/%7Eeagle/">http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/</a>><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:42:46 -0400<br>
From: Alexander Belopolsky <<a href="mailto:alexander.belopolsky@gmail.com">alexander.belopolsky@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br>
To: Deborah Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:goldsmit@apple.com">goldsmit@apple.com</a>><br>
Cc: Time zone mailing list <<a href="mailto:tz@iana.org">tz@iana.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tz] [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball<br>
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Deborah Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:goldsmit@apple.com">goldsmit@apple.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> There are no tools that ship with macOS or Windows (out of the box) that<br>
> can decode it.<br>
><br>
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Neither of those systems come with a compiler out of the box either. On<br>
MacOS, it takes less than 1.5 seconds to install lzip:<br>
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$ time brew install lzip<br>
==> Downloading<br>
<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz">https://homebrew.bintray.com/<wbr>bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.<wbr>bottle.tar.gz</a><br>
Already downloaded:<br>
/Users/a/Library/Caches/<wbr>Homebrew/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.<wbr>bottle.tar.gz<br>
==> Pouring lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.<wbr>tar.gz<br>
? /usr/local/Cellar/lzip/1.18: 9 files, 166.4K<br>
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real 0m1.124s<br>
user 0m0.646s<br>
sys 0m0.537s<br>
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If you have trouble unpacking .tar.lz files - just point your browser to<br>
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<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://github.com/eggert/tz/tree/2016g">https://github.com/eggert/tz/<wbr>tree/2016g</a><br>
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and get whatever individual files you need.<br>
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:47:15 -0400<br>
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Alexander Belopolsky <<br>
<a href="mailto:alexander.belopolsky@gmail.com">alexander.belopolsky@gmail.com</a><wbr>> wrote:<br>
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> If you have trouble unpacking .tar.lz files - just point your browser to<br>
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> <a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://github.com/eggert/tz/tree/2016g">https://github.com/eggert/tz/<wbr>tree/2016g</a><br>
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BTW,<br>
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$ wget <a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://github.com/eggert/tz/archive/2016g.zip">https://github.com/eggert/tz/<wbr>archive/2016g.zip</a><br>
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will download all files in a .zip archive.<br>
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:51:09 -0400<br>
From: Alexander Belopolsky <<a href="mailto:alexander.belopolsky@gmail.com">alexander.belopolsky@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br>
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Alexander Belopolsky <<br>
<a href="mailto:alexander.belopolsky@gmail.com">alexander.belopolsky@gmail.com</a><wbr>> wrote:<br>
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> $ time brew install lzip<br>
> ==> Downloading <a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan">https://homebrew.bintray.com/<wbr>bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan</a>.<br>
> bottle.tar.gz<br>
> Already downloaded: /Users/a/Library/Caches/<wbr>Homebrew/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.<br>
> bottle.tar.gz<br>
> ==> Pouring lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.<wbr>tar.gz<br>
> ? /usr/local/Cellar/lzip/1.18: 9 files, 166.4K<br>
><br>
> real 0m1.124s<br>
><br>
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Sorry, my timing was off because I already had the source cached. With<br>
downloading, it takes about 1.8s:<br>
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$ time brew install lzip<br>
==> Downloading<br>
<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz">https://homebrew.bintray.com/<wbr>bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.<wbr>bottle.tar.gz</a><br>
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100.0%<br>
==> Pouring lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.<wbr>tar.gz<br>
? /usr/local/Cellar/lzip/1.18: 9 files, 166.4K<br>
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real 0m1.885s<br>
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:56:58 -0400<br>
From: Random832 <<a href="mailto:random832@fastmail.com">random832@fastmail.com</a>><br>
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 11:24, Deborah Goldsmith wrote:<br>
> As far as I can tell, lzip is only used on Linux. There are no tools that<br>
> ship with macOS or Windows (out of the box) that can decode it.<br>
<br>
Doesn't ship with "Linux" out of the box, either. At least, on my<br>
machine it's not present and I've done nothing special to exclude it...<br>
Ubuntu has a half dozen packages for different versions of it (most of<br>
which seem to be in "universe" rather than the main distribution), with<br>
no clear guidance on which one I should want to install. [It's clear<br>
enough, to be fair, what the actual differences between them *are*, but<br>
it's not clear if these differences have any impact on performance or<br>
not, and overall I'm completely mystified at the decision to *package*<br>
them.]<br>
<br>
> Adopting lzip as the primary format at this point seems like a statement<br>
> that only Linux matters.<br>
<br>
While it seems to be a bit bleeding-edge, I don't see how it's less so<br>
for Linux than for other operating systems. Also I don't see why a<br>
"primary" format means that only platforms supporting that format, 'out<br>
of the box' or otherwise, matter, while other distribution formats are<br>
still fully supported. Seems like it creates a bit of a chicken-and-egg<br>
dilemma towards ever migrating anyone to new formats.<br>
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