<div dir="ltr"><div>I searched "(kiev OR kyiv) site:____" with various English-language news sites on Google News, and sorted each result by date to get a recent article which referred specifically to the Ukrainian capital:<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/opinion/mikheil-saakashvili-ukraine-russia.html" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1<wbr>2/15/opinion/mikheil-saakashvi<wbr>li-ukraine-russia.html</a></div><div>2017-12-15: "After students were beaten in Kiev’s central square…"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-wknd-et-kuzin-20171124-story.html" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/socal/d<wbr>aily-pilot/news/tn-wknd-et-kuz<wbr>in-20171124-story.html</a></div><div>2017-11-24: "…knew it was time to leave his home of Kiev, Ukraine."</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/corruption-makes-ukraine-even-more-vulnerable-to-russia/2017/12/14/5c0e3122-df6a-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com<wbr>/opinions/global-opinions/corr<wbr>uption-makes-ukraine-even-more<wbr>-vulnerable-to-russia/2017/12/<wbr>14/5c0e3122-df6a-11e7-bbd0-9df<wbr>b2e37492a_story.html</a></div><div>2017-12-14: "Kiev has been the scene of a somewhat farcical drama this month…"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/24/politics/paul-manafort-russia/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/24/<wbr>politics/paul-manafort-russia/<wbr>index.html</a></div><div>2017-11-25: "…obtained from a government source in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev."</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/ukraine-s-lgbtq-soldiers-hope-their-service-will-change-hearts-n822291" target="_blank">https://www.nbcnews.com/featur<wbr>e/nbc-out/ukraine-s-lgbtq-sold<wbr>iers-hope-their-service-will-<wbr>change-hearts-n822291</a></div><div>2017-11-28: "…March for Equality, an LGBTQ event in Kiev…"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/15/reporters-notebook-putins-talk-thon-experience-like-no-other.html" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/world/2<wbr>017/12/15/reporters-notebook-p<wbr>utins-talk-thon-experience-lik<wbr>e-no-other.html</a></div><div>2017-12-15: "…don’t want what has happened in Kiev to happen in their cities."</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/15/gerard-pique-sometimes-criticised-say-not-worried/" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foo<wbr>tball/2017/12/15/gerard-pique-<wbr>sometimes-criticised-say-not-w<wbr>orried/</a></div><div>2017-12-15: "…the final of the Champions League in Kiev in May…"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/ukrainian-police-recapture-former-georgian-president-saakashvili" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/wo<wbr>rld/2017/dec/08/ukrainian-poli<wbr>ce-recapture-former-georgian-p<wbr>resident-saakashvili</a></div><div>2017-12-08: "…the opposition leader had been detained by police in Kiev…"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42289481" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-<wbr>europe-42289481</a></div><div>2017-12-09: "…was dragged from his home in Kiev and arrested."</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://news.sky.com/story/ex-georgia-president-mikheil-saakashvili-broken-free-from-police-custody-11157379" target="_blank">https://news.sky.com/story/ex-<wbr>georgia-president-mikheil-saak<wbr>ashvili-broken-free-from-polic<wbr>e-custody-11157379</a></div><div>2017-12-05: "…an apartment in the capital Kiev…"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/world/paul-manafort-and-russian-colleague-ghostwrote-editorial-special-counsel-20171204-gzyrbx.html" target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/world/pa<wbr>ul-manafort-and-russian-collea<wbr>gue-ghostwrote-editorial-speci<wbr>al-counsel-20171204-gzyrbx.<wbr>html</a></div><div>2017-12-05: "…ran Manafort's office in Kiev…"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-06/ukraine-protesters-frees-former-georgian-president-after-arrest/9230676" target="_blank">http://www.abc.net.au/news/201<wbr>7-12-06/ukraine-protesters-fre<wbr>es-former-georgian-president-a<wbr>fter-arrest/9230676</a></div><div>2017-12-05: "The turmoil in Kiev is just the latest challenge for the Ukrainian Government…"</div></div><div><br></div><div>Indeed, it seems these major English-language news outlets almost universally use "Kiev" to this day, except when the place name is used as part of a different proper noun, such as when referring to <a href="https://www.kyivpost.com/" target="_blank">the <i>Kyiv Post</i></a>.  It's even in the BBC News style guide to use "Kiev" and not "Kyiv":</div><div><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/journalism/article/art20130702112133537" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/j<wbr>ournalism/article/art201307021<wbr>12133537</a></div><div><br></div><div>Although several of these outlets have written articles on the differences in orthography over the years, until there is enough common usage of "Kyiv" in the English language that a significant number of these outlets decide to switch, it is reasonable to say that "Kiev" remains the generally-accepted English spelling despite certain governmental recognitions of "Kyiv".  But this is not the venue for that discussion.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">--<br>Tim Parenti<br></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 December 2017 at 14:19, Garrett Wollman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wollman@csail.mit.edu" target="_blank">wollman@csail.mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><<On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:32:03 +0100, "Philip Paeps" <<a href="mailto:philip@trouble.is">philip@trouble.is</a>> said:<br>
<br>
> Note that we do not have a "Europe/Koebenhavn" or a "Europe/Lefkosia" -<br>
> to pick two examples of transliterations of local names that are<br>
> different from the names of the cities in English.  We have a<br>
> "Europe/Copenhagen" and the "Europe/Nicosia".<br>
<br>
</span>Contrast the case (which thankfully we do not have to deal with) of<br>
the capital city of the People's Republic of China.  In English, it<br>
used to be called "Peking", and in fact in the name of the university<br>
and of the duck dish it still is.  The PRC government made a concerted<br>
campaign to change the name used by English speakers to be "Beijing",<br>
which is a phonetic representation of the name of the city in Mandarin<br>
(putonghua).  This has to a very large extent worked, and now most<br>
English texts say "Beijing" and not "Peking" (although many people<br>
still don't pronounce it "correctly" because the letters in hanyu<br>
pinyin don't have the same sound values as they do in English).<br>
However, in many languages *other than English*, the name of the city<br>
has not changed -- AFAIK it's still "Pékin" in French, for example.<br>
<br>
So the lesson here is that, if the Ukrainian people (or their<br>
government) earnestly want to change how the name of their capital<br>
city is written by English speakers, they're going to have to do a way<br>
more effective job at lobbying the people who actually shape how<br>
English speakers use words -- especially the mass media.  The tz<br>
database is descriptive and lobbying its maintainers will not have the<br>
desired effect.<br>
<br>
-GAWollman<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>