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<p>I suggested a completely backward compatible approach.</p>
<p>Downstream consumers can have a form of the data that looks as it
does now.</p>
<p>The argument we are supposedly trying to make is that NOBODY
should be presenting these names to users - they should be using
the tzid as a key to a localized lookup so UI wise there's no
difference. I don't think we can use 'misuse' of those names as a
reason not to change.<br>
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<p>There is also the point that some are reluctant to use the Olson
data at least because it's tied to politically sensitive names.
Having the originators maintain a UID at least satisfies that
problem.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/4/18 13:02, Fred Gleason wrote:<br>
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On Oct 4, 2018, at 12:35, John Haxby <<a
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think, even so, this will not fix the problem. Instead
of complaining about the Europe/Kiev name, they'll be
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<div class="">Exactly. At *some* point in the chain, these zones
need to get turned into geographical names that people can
recognize. In some regions, that naming process is fraught with
dispute and emotion; unfortunately, due to the very nature of
what tzdb is and does, we are never going to be free from that
aspect. Thus, changing the current identifiers would merely add
confusion for users and complexity to the code without
addressing the essence of the issue.</div>
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Yes - these discussions are always fraught with dispute and emotion.
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<p>The point here is to distance this group that maintains the zone
data from some other group that does localization. With a little
care most consumers of the data won't see the difference.<br>
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<div class="">That cartoon from Xkcd posted here last week [<a
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I think that cartoon identifies the type of discussion that SHOULD
take place in this group. <br>
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