[UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?

Tue Feb 17 17:36:26 UTC 2015

I also agree with this.

Tony Harris

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info> wrote:

> +1. This is not an IDN, ngTLD or TLD issue.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Merdinger [mailto:rmerdinger at godaddy.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:21 AM
> To: Dusan Stojicevic; ua-discuss at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>
> While I appreciate the fact that IDN issues are, in many ways, a superset
> of the issues faced by other domains/TLDs that exhibit acceptance issues,
> I really think that we need to continue to consider this UA effort a
> "domain" issue and not a new gTLD issue, IDN issue, or even a TLD issue.
>
> My view is that we decompose the UA issue into component issue areas and
> attack them, irrespective of labels that could inadvertently/inaccurately
> attach the perception of agendas that could ultimately thwart the effort.
>
> Richard Merdinger
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org]
> On Behalf Of Dusan Stojicevic
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:14 AM
> To: ua-discuss at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>
> Dear all,
>
> Although I think that IDN is a big, maybe major question in UA, I must say
> that I agree with Mark and Michele.
> IDN problem is part of UA, but UA is a much broader concept.
> Those people from the list who had the misfortune to meet me, will be
> surprised.
>
> Regards,
> Dušan
> Serbian ccTLD registry
>
> On 17.2.2015 12:43, Mark McFadden wrote:
> > Edmon:
> >
> > While risking agreeing with Michele on this, I'd say that I'm very fond
> of the "U" in "UA" - that is, I think we should be focusing on Universal
> Acceptance and not IDN Acceptance. By breaking the problem into two parts,
> I think we may be heading for a better, crisper problem statement. There
> are problems in many settings - for instance, problems with acceptance of
> "long" strings, problems with acceptance of IDN scripts, problems in
> display, problems in EAI, etc. etc.
> >
> > It might be better not to focus on IDNs until we had a more precise
> definition of "how universal" our approach to Universal Acceptance is
> going to be.
> >
> > mark
> >
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> > From: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org [ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On
> > Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight [michele at blacknight.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:40 AM
> > To: Edmon Chung; 'Mark Svancarek'; 'Nelson, Nick'; 'Christian   Dawson';
> 'Ram Mohan SMTP'
> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> >
> > Edmon
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this.
> >
> > If, for example, I was trying to get a bunch of Irish web developers or
> software engineeers to code better and support ALL tlds then they're not
> going to be motivated by IDNs.
> >
> > Telling them that their bad code choices is blocking English speaking
> users from using their new (Latin script) domains might be a motivator.
> >
> > I also don't think the IDN banner helps rally people. It would help
> rally *some* people, but I'm not convinced that they're the ones who need
> the most rallying.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Michele
> >
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> > From: Edmon Chung [mailto:edmon at registry.asia]
> > Sent: 17 February 2015 01:13
> > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; 'Mark Svancarek'; 'Nelson, Nick';
> 'Christian Dawson'; 'Ram Mohan SMTP'
> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org
> > Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> >
> > I agree with you Michele that this is not an issue limited to IDNs,
> however, I still believe that if we solve the IDN issue, we will solve the
> ASCII new TLD issue.
> >
> > So as a "moral high ground" if you will, for ICANN with this as a
> community-wide project, I think it is better to have IDN be the "primary"
> focus so that it gets the support from the whole community. If we had a
> primary focus on ASCII TLDs, I worry we will lose the support we need from
> many parts of the community.
> >
> > That is not to say we only focus on IDN.  But the IDN banner I believe
> helps us rally this as a global effort for the Internet.
> >
> > Edmon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
> > [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon -
> > Blacknight
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:03 AM
> > To: Mark Svancarek; Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP
> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss at icann.org>
> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > That's good, but that's assuming that Universal Acceptance is limited to
> IDNs, whereas in reality the issue is much wider. At present a lot of
> online services and software do not recognise new TLDs - be they ASCII or
> IDN.
> > So while incorporating that language is excellent, I'd hate to see
> > IDNs as being the primary focus Regards
> >
> > Michele
> >
> > --
> > Mr Michele Neylon
> > Blacknight Solutions
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> > ________________________________
> > From: Mark Svancarek [marksv at microsoft.com]
> > Sent: 16 February 2015 21:43
> > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram
> > Mohan SMTP
> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss at icann.org>
> > Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> > Yes, I also agree with Michele and Nick.
> >
> > As a starter:
> >
> > "International character sets, whether in Unicode or Punycode, are
> inconsistently managed by existing software products and existing online
> services.  These inconsistencies arise both from non-support of the RFCs
> or from support for outdated versions of these RFCs.
> >
> > Software and service providers have historically had little market or
> regulatory incentive to invest in solutions which would bring true
> interoperability to platforms or applications.  Democratization of
> computing and greater availability of Internationalized Domain Names are
> likely to upset this status quo.
> >
> > A coordinated industry effort is required to ensure a timely and
> practical resolution to this pending  change."
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
> > [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon -
> > Blacknight
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:43 AM
> > To: Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP
> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss at icann.org>
> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> >
> > I'd agree with Nick
> >
> > Defining the problem should be key
> > Everything else comes after that
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Michele
> >
> > --
> > Mr Michele Neylon
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> > From:
> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
> > [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nelson, Nick
> > Sent: 16 February 2015 17:39
> > To: Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP
> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss at icann.org>
> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> >
> > I'm coming in a bit late but that gives me good perspective and I think
> the total list from Ram is accurate. However, I'd argue that both
> Christian is right with defining structure and charger, but also first -
> we should define the Problem space.
> >
> > The problem space to me is ultimately why we're all here right. "What
> are we trying to solve for?" and even more so, "How is this group going to
> benefit the ultimate end-user?"
> > ________________________________
> > From:
> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
> > [ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] on behalf of Christian Dawson
> > [dawson at i2coalition.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:22 AM
> > To: Ram Mohan SMTP
> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss at icann.org>
> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> > Ram,
> >
> > I think this is a good list with one proposed change. I am 3-4 pages
> into a draft charter for people to look at, which proposes a structure.
> I'd say we need an agreed-on structure before we pick leaders to fill
> defined roles, so I suggest flipping 1 and 2.
> >
> > I probably can't get far enough along to put my draft charter up for
> > review until tomorrow - chairing a small anti-SPAM working group on
> > SPAM in the Cloud at M3AAWG today. (If anybody else from this group is
> > at M3AAWG come find me and we can chat/complain about timezones
> > together.)
> >
> > -Christian
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:21 AM, Ram Mohan
> <rmohan at afilias.info<mailto:rmohan at afilias.info>> wrote:
> >
> > Team,
> > Trying to get an inventory of the main tasks in front of the UASG, in
> chronological order:
> >
> > 1.       Group leadership
> > 2.       Group structure and charter
> > 3.       Definition of problem space
> > 4.       Prioritization of problem space
> > 5.       Definition of approach to problem spaces
> > 6.       Delegation of work
> > 7.       Execution of work
> > 8.       Follow-through
> >
> > Appreciate input.
> >
> > -Ram
> >
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