[UA-discuss] Fwd: Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Universal Acceptance

Thu Feb 19 19:09:03 UTC 2015

Here’s the transcript from yesterday’s call.  Sorry for the delay.

Don

> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Francisco Arias <francisco.arias at icann.org>
> To: Don Hollander <don at i2.org.nz>
> Cc: Cyrus Namazi <cyrus.namazi at icann.org>
> Subject: FW: Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Universal Acceptance
> Date: 19 February 2015 6:04:37 am NZDT
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> FYI
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> On 2/18/15, 9:03 AM, "Adobe Connect Notifications"
> <admin at adobeconnect.com> wrote:
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>> Don Hollander: (2/18/2015 07:59) Good morning everyone.  Just a
>> reminder to MUTE unless you're speaking.
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:01) Hello Everyone
>> Ram Mohan: (08:01) @maxim ola
>> Dusan Stojicevic: (08:02) Hello Everyone
>> Don Hollander: (08:08) https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discuss
>> Brent London: (08:10) yes
>> Don Hollander: (08:10) Draft Charter:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp
>> 4rMhc/edit?usp=sharing
>> Edmon: (08:11) if possible, don please also share the document on
>> adobeconnect
>> Edmon: (08:11) there may be those who are unable to connect with the
>> googledoc
>> Mark McFadden: (08:11) Just a note: the existing UA_Discuss mailing
>> list archives are not public.  The current archive is only available to
>> the list members.
>> Ram Mohan: (08:11) @Mark, thanks for pointing that out - that was not
>> the intent. This will be an ACTION for ICANN staff to convert to public
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:19) +1 Edmon
>> Edmon: (08:21) in addition to what tony and ram said, since we are not
>> intended to be a "strict" group, i think the document should be a living
>> document, that it could change over time, (not to say that  it wil keep
>> changing, but just that it should not make it overly hard to make changes
>> to it as things changes)
>> Ram Mohan: (08:21) +1 Edmon
>> Ram Mohan: (08:22) the SG could be the 3 chairs + the Project Group
>> chairs...
>> Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:23) Let's call them "issues" rather than
>> "problems."  :-)
>> Ram Mohan: (08:24) @jeff, tomatoes, tomatos?
>> Edmon: (08:24) we can even call them work "items" to be even more
>> "positive" :-)
>> Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:24) @ram, not when word gets out to the public.
>> Rishi - CentralNic: (08:24) +1 Ram Mohan
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:24) +1 jeff - "TLD haters" are
>> latching on to a soundbite from the SG session claiming that new TLDs
>> break things
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:25) there should be some
>> sensitivity to this in our efforts
>> Pinky Brand: (08:25) +1 to Jeff's comment.
>> Richard Merdinger: (08:27) I was late and apologize for that
>> Ram Mohan: (08:27) @Jothan, @Jeff - agree to being sensitive, but i
>> think word on the street is that things aren't working ... are broken. We
>> should decide on our posture and our terminlogy. Just don't want to be
>> "cute" regarding what it is vs. what we call it
>> Ram Mohan: (08:27) ie, don't want an "emperor has no clothes" problem.
>> Having said that, we should be sensitive and decide how we represent the
>> problems/issues/items/ideas/etc.
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:28) @Ram very wisely put - and
>> to be fair, "TLD Haters" are going to latch on to whatever they find so
>> we should not let it hobble our focus
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:29) it is just worth having it
>> in mind
>> Ram Mohan: (08:29) Jothan + 1
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:29) http://ua.thedna.org is the
>> URL Brent is mentioning
>> Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:30) @Ram Umderstood, and not trying to hide the
>> reality of issues, but it is important to not present the new extensions
>> as "broken" as they are already in wide use and more being registered
>> every day.  We're on the same page.  Thanks.
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:31) +1
>> Ram Mohan: (08:31) @Jeff, agreed. We might need to decide on more
>> "frank" language internally, and more "polite" language in anything we
>> put out formally...
>> Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:32) @ram Exactly.  Public image is important to
>> the whole program and the domain name space.
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:34) it might be a good idea to make exchange
>> of items (when reaching  some milestones) between groups
>> Pinky Brand: (08:34) +1 to Ram and Jeff's thoughts re language
>> presentation. TLDs are not broken. They have functioned just fine for a
>> few decades..
>> Rubens Kuhl: (08:35) Just a comment: even the specialized media uses
>> terms like "broken":
>> http://domainincite.com/17997-group-forms-to-stop-new-gtlds-breaking-stuff
>> Edmon: (08:35) just a note that Don has his hand up... if you missed it
>> ram cause he is in the "Presenters" section
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:35) just one comment on IDN / UA
>> is that there are some blockage areas that including IDN is appropriate
>> and others where the majority of the issue simply requires the foundation
>> of being able to just work with new TLDs
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:36) before one could hope to get
>> the IDN dialog and attention happening
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:36) Do we refer by security issues in IDNs -
>> to SSL/TSL  too?
>> Ram Mohan: (08:36) @Maxim - do you want to speak that into the call for
>> those not watching the chat?
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:36) @Ram - yes
>> Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:37) @Rubens Exactly.  That's why it is so
>> important that consumer facing messaging does not reinforce the varius
>> biases of "insiders" with varying agendas.  Our agenda is a positive
>> outcome for all domain names I think.
>> Ram Mohan: (08:37) tx
>> Rubens Kuhl: (08:39) I don't think this specific media outlet has a
>> bias on this, so it's an indication that even unbiased media trying to
>> spell UA in a simpler way ends up writing like this.
>> Chris: (08:39) I think one of the risks in splitting the issue into
>> multiple different parts, there is a risk of signaling to developers the
>> idea that this is a series of different problems to solve. This would
>> encourage fragmented support for the different aspects of the problem,
>> leading down a bad path.
>> Edmon: (08:40) @christian, today, when you get a namecard that has only
>> chinese on it u cant even read the name anyway?
>> Edmon: (08:40) there are often 2 sides of a business card one for local
>> community and one for "international" based on the "audeince" it is
>> intended for
>> Richard Merdinger: (08:42) Yes
>> Pinky Brand: (08:42) Yes
>> Brent London: (08:42) yes
>> Rishi - CentralNic: (08:42) yes
>> Dusan Stojicevic: (08:42) ok
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:42) yes
>> Johannes Lenz-Hawliczek, DOTZON: (08:42) k
>> Lars Steffen: (08:42) Yes
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:42) 2 weeks good
>> Mark McFadden: (08:42) yes
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:47) just comment - UA is a 2letter code from
>> ISO 3166 ... it might cause minor confusion outside of the industry...
>> Ram Mohan: (08:47) @Maxim - any alternative suggestions?
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:48) @Ram UAC ?
>> Mark McFadden: (08:49) That's an excellent summary, thanks @Ram.
>> Mark McFadden: (08:51) Are there minutes or notes from the Washington
>> DC meeting that coulld be shared with the larger group??
>> Mark McFadden: (08:52) Thank you Francisco.
>> Edmon: (08:52) @francisco, i think we should section out the particular
>> part on stocktaking of issues and prioritization so we have a focused
>> discussion (rther than sending the entire record)
>> Mark McFadden: (08:53) How hard would it be to have a termporary wiki
>> for the group?
>> Ram Mohan: (08:53) ACTIONS:1. Make Mailing list public2. Comments on
>> the charter, closing in 2 weeks time3. Put your names forward for Project
>> Groups you want to be a part of - over the next week4. Summarize comments
>> on charter, Project Groups etc. after 2 weeks5. Call for nominations
>> commences now, ends in 3 weeks time6. Web site for archive materials -
>> Francisco/Don
>> Mark McFadden: (08:55) I think this list of actions is just fine and
>> represents our discussion.
>> Edmon: (08:55) i am not usually someone who brings this up, as this is
>> the time of the day that works best for me to participate.  however, i do
>> notice low participation from the asian community which i think is
>> important for this effort.
>> Christian Dawson: (08:56) Edmon I like your suggestion of finding a
>> time that suits the Asian community well
>> Richard Merdinger: (08:56) I cconcur
>> Mark McFadden: (08:57) +1
>> Francisco Arias: (08:57) there will be no time that works for everyone.
>> One way we have done this in ICANN WGs is to rotate the times to
>> distribute the pain. Just an idea.
>> Brent London: (08:57) +1
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:57) +1 for rotation
>> Gwen: (08:57) What would the "C" stand for in "UAC"?
>> Rishi - CentralNic: (08:58) @christian - yes
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:58) [humor] we also may want to
>> see if we need permission from Comcast to use the term 'Universal'  ;)
>> Mark McFadden: (08:58) @christian Fine!
>> Richard Merdinger: (08:58) yes, please
>> Lars Steffen: (08:58) thanks christian!
>> Edmon: (08:58) ACceptance
>> Richard Merdinger: (08:58) Great idea Ram
>> Pinky Brand: (08:58) There will be virtually no feedback from anyone
>> located in China for the next two weeks as it is now the Chinese New
>> Year. Just FYI.
>> tony harris: (08:59) how to sign up to mail list
>> Mark McFadden: (08:59) That seems like a reasonable timeframe, @Ram.
>> Edmon: (09:00) can just send a note to the mailing list?
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (09:00) Could we suggest SOI of some kind to be
>> send with the position request?
>> Mark McFadden: (09:01) Okay, thanks everyone. Bye.
>> Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (09:01) Thanks all.
>> Don Hollander: (09:01) Thanks Ram.  Thanks everyone.
>> Ram Mohan: (09:01) @Maxim, good idea
>> Johannes Lenz-Hawliczek, DOTZON: (09:01) thank you, bye
>> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (09:01) bye all
>> Rubens Kuhl: (09:01) Thanks all!
>> Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (09:01) thanks all and to Ram and
>> Christian for their efforts
>> Dusan Stojicevic: (09:01) thanx, bye
>> Rishi - CentralNic: (09:01) @Ram thanks for chairing
>> Pinky Brand: (09:01) Thanks
>> Ram Mohan: (09:01) @Rishi, glad to.
>> Chris: (09:01) Thanks everyone.
>> Ram Mohan: (09:01) g'day
>> Francisco Arias: (09:02) thank you everyone, we are closing the room now
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