[UA-discuss] Some universal acceptance problems last 15+ years...

Tue Oct 4 13:00:06 UTC 2016

I think we do need Kim Kardashian to promote new gTLDs too. Now, I am not
sure that it is a good idea if suggesting this to her comes from a French
person.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan at dukes.in.rs> wrote:

> Dear all,
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> By following discussion, I get the feeling that we need to find the way
> from the boss to programmer, or how to move boss to solve this issue.
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> In my opinion, the only way to get boss’s reaction is to explain to him
> that he’s losing money.
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> When he realize that clients are going to some competitive service, he
> will make the budget for programmer.
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> The real problem is that users are not stubborn in using IDN or NewG email
> addresses, and after service gives them error message, they switch to
> alternative, regular mail.
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> We all do that, it’s in our BIOS, our nature. So, there is no money lost
> and no problem for the boss. Few stubborn users, who cares.
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> IDN (and NewGs for now) are like opera music. It’s not mainstream, it
> means culture, few of them are listening and enjoying opera, but mainstream
> is somewhere else.
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> No, my conclusion is not that we need Kim Kardashian to promote IDNs and
> NewGs. J We need to change the user system of logic, by covering all
> issues that we possibly can, talking with big developers to adapt their
> systems (Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, Google, Yandex…) and to create
> environment of “POSSIBLE”. After that, users will adapt their habbits to
> new environment. It’s evolution. F.E. / For IDNs, it’s very logical to have
> right moves (besides big guys) in big countries where English alphabet is
> native (China, India, Russia). NewGs are going stronger in number of domain
> names, so the problems there are becoming global problem and users are
> changing habbits each day.
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> @Ram first I like to thank You as one of the pioneers in non 2/3 character
> TLDs, and to tell You that I will be happy if this problem can be solved in
> next 15 years. But I doubt, and the fight that You started, will be here
> for a very long time in the future J
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> Cheers,
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> Dusan
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> *From:* ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Richard Merdinger
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 6:48 PM
> *To:* Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info>; Kurt Pritz <kurt at kjpritz.com>
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> *Cc:* ua-discuss <UA-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] Some universal acceptance problems last 15+
> years...
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> As we look at outreach and efforts to accept issue reports and loop-close
> on reported issues, it will be extremely useful to include links to
> materials that will enable bosses to send to their engineering teams
> saying…hey, do it like this.
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> --Rich
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> *From: *<ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Ram Mohan <
> rmohan at afilias.info>
> *Date: *Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:03 AM
> *To: *Kurt Pritz <kurt at kjpritz.com>
> *Cc: *ua-discuss <UA-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [UA-discuss] Some universal acceptance problems last 15+
> years...
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> I blame it on the culture, and on the humans who enable it. Agree that
> it's not *just* the programmer's fault, although in your example below, he
> must have been semi sedated to write code that catches a non 3/4 character
> tld, and then pop up an error message; so inefficient :)
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> It's literally no extra work to change a regular expression match in code.
> It's a kind of laziness combined with apathy that drives this.
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> Some developers depend on a dns lookup to determine a valid tld, while
> others lookup a static list. Poor programming choices, much heartbreak lies
> in those directions, too.
>
> Ram
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> On Sep 29, 2016 2:51 PM, "Kurt Pritz" <kurt at kjpritz.com> wrote:
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> Ram:
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> I wouldn't necessarily blame it on the programmer:
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> Boss: Hello young man. We have a bit of a problem to solve. Some of our
> web site users are mis-typing their email addresses. When different
> government departments need to get hold of them to correct an error on a
> form they submitted, we cannot. These government departments want us to do
> a check on their email addresses to at least make sure they are the right
> format and allowable content.
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> Programmer: Sure thing. What's our budget for this?
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> Boss: Zero.
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> So, semi-smart solution for no budget.
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> Kurt
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> ________________
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> Kurt Pritz
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> kurt at kjpritz.com
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> +1.310.400.4184
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> Skype: kjpritz
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> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:32 PM, "Jiankang Yao" <yaojk at cnnic.cn> wrote:
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> Dear Ram,
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>    I think that you can be titled as UA pioneer.
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>  Another 15+ years are needed for UA work.
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> Jiankang Yao
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> *From:* Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info>
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> *Date:* 2016-09-29 01:50
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> *To:* UA-discuss <UA-discuss at icann.org>
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> *Subject:* [UA-discuss] Some universal acceptance problems last 15+
> years...
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> On Sep 12, 2001, I helped launch the first non 2/3 character TLD, .INFO.
> Many of you have heard about how we struggled to get applications,
> browsers, web forms and email systems to recognize the world’s first
> four-character TLD as a legitimate extension, including my creation of the
> Office of the CTO (in a 3 person startup) to get large companies to return
> my calls.
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> Well, 15+ years later, today I was on the website of the Pennsylvania
> state government, and filled in my email address (ending in .INFO). I hit
> submit, and here is the prompt that came up. I hit OK, and the site
> accepted my email and I moved forward with my tasks, but it’s galling that
> some programmer _*recently*_ decided that a non 2/3 character TLD based
> email address merited a warning message.
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> <image001(09-29-10-27-48).png>
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> Goes to show how long bad habits persist. Also goes to show why the UASG’s
> work is important.
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> -Ram
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> Ram Mohan
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