[UA-discuss] UA-discuss Digest, Vol 26, Issue 1

Harish Chowdhary harish at nixi.in
Thu Feb 2 13:02:48 UTC 2017


Hi,I have the following e-mail ids in HINDI (Devanagri Script)हरीश@परीक्षण.भारत         in english (harish at parikshan.bahart)  हरीश@यूनिवर्सल.भारत                         (harish at universal.baharat)Thanks,Harish Chowdhary From: ua-discuss-request at icann.orgSent: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 17:30:09 GMT+0530To: ua-discuss at icann.orgSubject: UA-discuss Digest, Vol 26, Issue 1Send UA-discuss mailing list submissions to   ua-discuss at icann.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit   https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discussor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to   ua-discuss-request at icann.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at   ua-discuss-owner at icann.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan &quot
 ;Re: Contents of UA-discuss digest..."Today's Topics:  1. John Doe in....  Different languages (Don Hollander)  2. Re: John Doe in....  Different languages (Jay Daley)  3. ODG:  John Doe in....  Different languages (Dusan)  4. Re: John Doe in.... Different languages (Asmus Freytag)  5. Re: John Doe in....  Different languages (Jim Hague)  6. Re: [ajay.uasg at data.in] John Doe in.... Different languages     (ajay at data.in)  7. Re: [Ext] Re: [ajay.uasg at data.in] John Doe in.... Different     languages (Don Hollander)  8. UASG 007 - Update (Don Hollander)  9. Re: [Ext] Re: [ajay.uasg at data.in] John Doe in.... Different     languages (philippe.fouquart at orange.com)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 23:23:43 +0000From: Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org>To: "ua-discuss at icann.org" <ua
 -discuss at icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] John Doe in....  Different languagesMessage-ID: <806B7543-6E31-4A54-A31E-46672B726473 at icann.org>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com.? In the UK it might be something like john.bull at example.com.? And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs at example.com??I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.Don-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170201/caec19ae/attachment-0001.html>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: smime.p7sType: application/pkcs7-signatureSize: 4540 bytesDesc: not availableURL: &lt
 ;http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170201/caec19ae/smime-0001.p7s>------------------------------Message: 2Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 12:26:08 +1300From: Jay Daley <jay at nzrs.net.nz>To: Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org>Cc: "ua-discuss at icann.org" <ua-discuss at icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] John Doe in....  Different languagesMessage-ID: <C24505AC-C529-407B-8E95-4959531339E2 at nzrs.net.nz>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8Hi DonThere?s a wikipedia page on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_placeholder_names_by_languagebestJay> On 2/02/2017, at 12:23 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org> wrote:>> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.>  > In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com.  In the UK it might be something like john.bull at example.com.  And in NZ it would be Joe.Bl
 oggs at example.com  >  > I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.>  > So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.>  > Don>  >  --Jay DaleyChief ExecutiveNZRS Ltddesk: +64 4 931 6977mobile: +64 21 678840linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley------------------------------Message: 3Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 00:38:26 +0100From: Dusan <dusan at dukes.in.rs>To: Mark Svancarek via UA-discuss <ua-discuss at icann.org>, Don   Hollander   <don.hollander at icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] ODG:  John Doe in....  Different languagesMessage-ID: <e13n8tarj9ijac6nci5dfcpa.1485991608329 at email.android.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"petar.petrovi?@primer.comSerbian Latin?????.????????@??????.???Serbian CyrillicCheersDu?an---- Don Hollander je napisao/la ----><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-fac
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 p;color:windowtext;} span.msoIns    {mso-style-type:export-only;    mso-style-name:"";    text-decoration:underline;    color:teal;} .MsoChpDefault    {mso-style-type:export-only;    font-family:Calibri;    mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} @page WordSection1    {size:595.0pt 842.0pt;    margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1    {page:WordSection1;} -->>>We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.>>?>>In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com.? In the UK it might be something like john.bull at example.com.? And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs at example.com??>>?>>I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.>>?>>So, if you have a
 ny suggestions, please do let me know.>>?>>Don>>?>>?>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170202/8d195539/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 15:59:34 -0800From: Asmus Freytag <asmusf at ix.netcom.com>To: ua-discuss at icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] John Doe in.... Different languagesMessage-ID: <4a3b69d9-91d1-bc51-0b9f-f8f3a6d02109 at ix.netcom.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"On 2/1/2017 3:23 PM, Don Hollander wrote:>> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some> generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.>> In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com> <mailto:john.doe at example.com>. In the UK it might be something like> john.bull at example.com <mailto:john.bull at example.com>
 . And in NZ it> would be Joe.Bloggs at example.com <mailto:Joe.Bloggs at example.com>>> I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places,> particularly those that don?t use only ascii.>> So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.>> Don>Can't help you there; in German, the last name for examples is often"Mustermann" (where "Muster" is patter/example). Not sure whether he orshe has a preferred first name.None of them have non-ASCII characters.A./-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170201/7b69f7e8/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 5Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 00:32:42 +0000From: Jim Hague <jim at sinodun.com>To: ua-discuss at icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] John Doe in....  Different languagesMessage-ID: <1734290.nA4610Cqb4 at hagrid>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8&q
 uot;On Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:23:43 GMT Don Hollander wrote:> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but> culturally local, examples of email addresses.>> In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com.  In the UK it> might be something like john.bull at example.com.  And in NZ it would be> Joe.Bloggs at example.com  FWIW, here in the UK john.bull at example.com would get you some very strangelooks(*). We're most probably with the Kiwis with Joe (or Fred Bloggs), thoughboth sound somewhat antiquated and I don't think are commonly used. In fact,thinking about it I personally would go so far as to say that these days wedon't really have any standard placeholder names, generally preferring to makeup names that sound 'normal' - see, for example, https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/81/~/clear-addressing---how-to-address-your-mail.(Of course, having said that I promptly r
 an across advice on gov.uk designguidelines https://designpatterns.hackpad.com/Knowledge-based-authentication-Nc91dMM61BZ which uses 'Joe Bloggs').(*) For those who don't know the name, 'John Bull' is a 18th century archetypekind of similar to Uncle Sam but without any connotation of links togovernment. I rather doubt whether my kids (22 & 19) have heard the name.--Jim Haguejim at sinodun.com                      Never trust a computer you can't lift.Sinodun Internet Technologies Ltd.   +44 7941 697732------------------------------Message: 6Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 06:58:36 +0530From: ajay at data.inTo: Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org>Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?ua-discuss=40icann.org?=" <ua-discuss at icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [ajay.uasg at data.in] John Doe in....   Different languagesMessage-ID: <b4009653-ce23-4918-ad53-f3fe96a4584c at Nidhies-iPhone>Content-Type: 
 text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hello DonMay be we can use SUPPORT@ or MAIL@ instead of name along with country specific example.????Like for Russia you can use ?????@??????.pyc in English mail at example.rusThanksOn 02-Feb-2017, 4:53:43 AMDon Hollander 'don.hollander at icann.org' wrote:We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com (mailto:john.doe at example.com). In the UK it might be something like john.bull at example.com (mailto:john.bull at example.com). And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs at example.com (mailto:Joe.Bloggs at example.com)I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.Don-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170202/4a1de316/attachme
 nt-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 7Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 05:32:54 +0000From: Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org>To: "ajay at data.in" <ajay at data.in>Cc: "ua-discuss at icann.org" <ua-discuss at icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [Ext] Re: [ajay.uasg at data.in] John Doe   in.... Different languagesMessage-ID: <3D481544-1159-4983-AF8A-50C3704DEFF1 at icann.org>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Thanks for this.We?re looking to build a bit of narrative to show how important EAI is to people (in this case imaginary) who can?t currently use email the way that they might want to because their names use non-ascii characters.Don> On 2/02/2017, at 2:28 PM, ajay at data.in wrote:>> Hello Don>> May be we can use SUPPORT@ or MAIL@ instead of name along with country specific example.????>> Like for Russia you can use ?????@??????.pyc <mailto:%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%82%D0%B0 at xn--e1afmkfd.pyc&g
 t; in English mail at example.rus <mailto:mail at example.rus>>> Thanks>> On 02-Feb-2017, 4:53:43 AM> Don Hollander 'don.hollander at icann.org <mailto:don.hollander at icann.org>' wrote:>>>>>> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.>>  >> In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com <mailto:john.doe at example.com>.  In the UK it might be something like john.bull at example.com <mailto:john.bull at example.com>.  And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs at example.com <mailto:Joe.Bloggs at example.com>  >>  >> I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.>>  >> So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.>>  >> DonDon HollanderUniversal Acceptance Steering GroupSkype: don_hollander-------------- next p
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 ise...For EAI examples, my suggestion would be something like No?l.Andr?@r?gion.fr or H?l?ne.Gu?rin at r?gion.frThe use of accentuated surnames has been patchy since the advent of typewriters? but those who have one sometimes resent it, these two are the most common which can be accentuated: http://www.filae.com/nom-de-famille/classement-general-1 and other sources.Hope this helps,Philippe FouquartOrange Labs Networks+33 (0) 1 57 39 58 13From: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Don HollanderSent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 6:33 AMTo: ajay at data.inCc: ua-discuss at icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] [Ext] Re: [ajay.uasg at data.in] John Doe in.... Different languagesThanks for this.We?re looking to build a bit of narrative to show how important EAI is to people (in this case imaginary) who can?t currently use email the way that they might want to because their names use non-ascii characters.DonOn 2/02/2017, at 2:28 PM, ajay at data.in<mailto:ajay at d
 ata.in> wrote:Hello DonMay be we can use SUPPORT@ or MAIL@ instead of name along with country specific example.????Like for Russia you can use ?????@??????.pyc<mailto:%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%82%D0%B0 at xn--e1afmkfd.pyc> in English mail at example.rus<mailto:mail at example.rus>ThanksOn 02-Feb-2017, 4:53:43 AMDon Hollander 'don.hollander at icann.org<mailto:don.hollander at icann.org>' wrote:We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.In the US it might be something like john.doe at example.com<mailto:john.doe at example.com>.  In the UK it might be something like john.bull at example.com<mailto:john.bull at example.com>.  And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs at example.com<mailto:Joe.Bloggs at example.com>I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.DonDon HollanderUniversal 
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