[UA-discuss] numbers as authenticaion ID

Fri Oct 20 05:27:09 UTC 2017

Let's discuss this during ICANN60 or I shall create step by step soon to explain better.

Thanks. 

On 20 October 2017 10:48:07 GMT+05:30, Tex Texin <textexin at xencraft.com> wrote:
>Ajay, ok I misunderstood when you asked “do you think its also idea
>worth exploring in EAI and IDN`s to also map them with numerical ID”.
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>I thought this meant you wanted to use digits there.
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>The table doesn’t show that the # of phones to population is 96%, since
>people that have phones may have more than one number. The page
>indicates for china the near 100% is actually 60% of the population.
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>Regardless, the number is much higher than I expected. A few years ago,
>I attended a meeting with the IT minister who was discussing the
>problems of getting information to the population in the event of a
>disaster, and she said there was a significant portion of the
>population without phones and without the computer or language literacy
>to use a phone.
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>Perhaps things have improved considerably since then. It was several
>years ago.
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>Anyway, I am unclear on your proposal. Are you looking to map domain
>names to digits? Like a punycode that generates only digits instead of
>ascii?
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>I think the comments I made still apply and in addition there is a
>likelihood of the longer numeric strings exceeding what the standards
>allow.
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>But maybe you meant something else?
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>Tex
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>From: Ajay DATA [mailto:ajay at data.in] 
>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:50 PM
>To: textexin at xencraft.com; ua-discuss at icann.org
>Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] numbers as authenticaion ID
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>Thank you for detailed reply.
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>As I mentioned that the numbers were used only for login and uses tamil
>ID to send and receive email automatically. We r not giving 9988 at domain
>as email id.
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>If there are multiple IDs linked with one mobile number than with OTP
>verification he is given choice to select the ID user wishes to use
>login into the mailbox.
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>In this case, Let me be also specific in saying that numbers means
>Mobile number to ensure uniqueness and verifications.
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>Also Tex, 96.40 percent of India's population uses mobile phones.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_use
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>Best Wishes
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>Ajay Data
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>On 20 October 2017 01:35:56 GMT+05:30, Tex Texin
><textexin at xencraft.com> wrote:
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>Because names and other personal data (eg postal address) are not
>unique and can be spelled in many different ways, I often suggest that
>it is better for applications to use phone numbers for searching for an
>individual. These days almost everyone (above a certain poverty level)
>has a cell phone and therefore a unique number.
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>However, in many countries, and I thought India was one, not everyone
>has a phone. Also, people want to have more than one mail address to
>have for different purposes or to limit who can reach them or when they
>can be reached, etc.
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>Using a phone number might make it easier for spammers to guess how
>they can reach individuals because (most) phone numbers are public.
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>Using all digits might also make it likely that typos or transpositions
>would send confidential mail to the wrong person, whereas the larger
>space of alphabetic emails makes it more likely that the erroneous mail
>id is unused.
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>Phone numbers also get reassigned to other users when someone gives a
>number up, so that could mean a change in carriers or other event
>causing you to change numbers would drive changing your email, which is
>a hassle.
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>Digits are easy to type but hard to remember for people that call you.
>Especially 10 or so digits. I can tell you email me at tex at google.com
>and you would remember it, but 1234567890 at google.com would need to be
>written down or otherwise communicated.
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>Nevertheless for people that have trouble with alphabetics (typing or
>other issues) digits can be effective. It may need to be telephone plus
>other digits that are less prescribed (birthday, postal code, or users
>random choice)
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>However, the individual you describe will still have trouble typing in
>other people’s email addresses and domain names. And he doesn’t have to
>type his own email as often as that of others. (from fields are usually
>auto-filled) So digits may not be a solution for his real problem.
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>For the situation you describe, I wonder if a better solution is to
>create an input method that maps digits or other key presses to type
>tamil more easily. Or perhaps offer more of a wizard for typing tamil
>coupled with more predictive typing and data entry. That may also help
>him with typing the contents of his email since he or she will still
>have trouble entering tamil content.
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>Hth
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>Tex
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>From: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org
>[mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Dr Ajay Data
>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:13 PM
>To: ua-discuss at icann.org
>Subject: [UA-discuss] numbers as authenticaion ID
>
> 
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>Dear Friend, 
>
>I would like to present a situation where
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>a person-
>do not know English at all.
>do know little bit of writing in Tamil language
>do know very well to read Tamil language
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>can read write and understands all the 0-9 numbers.
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>While he was using Tamil ID, he complained multiple times as he could
>not type his email ID very well every time and made mistake most of the
>time he tried to login.
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>We did innovation there and gave him his mobile number as a login ID
>and numbers as password. Since than he do not have any complaint. 
>Obviously his email remained same. 
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>With this kind of case and result, do you think its also idea worth
>exploring in EAI and IDN`s to also map them with numerical ID and this
>can also eliminate need of UTF related checks on the login webpage. 
>
>Just a food for though to get negative/positive feedback`s, ideas and
>suggestions.  I would be also happy to know if we can think the
>problems may occur and may see roadblocks. 
>
>Thank you. 
>
>Dr. Ajay DATA  | Founder & CEO 
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