[UA-discuss] linkification - was Re: Universal Acceptance now on Wikipedia...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Acceptance

Don Hollander don.hollander at icann.org
Thu Jan 4 02:48:48 UTC 2018


With regards to Linkification…


At its meeting in Dublin more than a year ago, the UASG developed some thoughts on Linkification.

These were revised, slightly, after its meeting in Seattle in the first quarter of 2017.

During the last quarter of 2017 we contracted Catalyst to do an evaluation of linkification, based on our expectations, of the top social media applications.

The work has been done and a first draft will be out to the UASG community before the end of this quarter.   

This will provide a look at what actually happens in the real world.

A sneak preview:

- None created links with the open dot.
- Some created no links at all to email addresses.  Clearly a policy.
- Some created links, but not for all the domain names in our test suite.   From a UASG perspective, this is showing that these applications do not treat all domain names the same.

I don’t mean to be a tease, but the report does need a bit of structural as well as style work before sharing it widely.

Don


> On 2/01/2018, at 10:20 PM, Asmus Freytag <asmusf at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> On 1/2/2018 1:07 AM, Asmus Freytag wrote:
>> I'm amazed at the level of detail that you are proposing here. I'm sure it would allow and advanced user to get precisely the desired behavior - until the next update that erases all the preferences...
>> 
>> In other words, I can see this level of control as useful for a "production" environment, like a word processing app, but most casual users would neither know that the behavior might be controlled by preferences nor have a systematic idea of how to translate any "this isn't working the way I want to" into settings.
>> 
>> Skeptically,
>> A./
>> 
> 
> And I fully agree with Andrew Sullivan's remarks. Nothing irks me as much as having software that assumes B) is alsways an emoticon, so formal legalese texts that have clauses numbered wit (B) all turn into nonsense. Runaway linkification promises to be similarly painful whenever you are dealing with texts where x.y.y isn't an internet address....
> 
>> 
>> On 1/1/2018 10:27 AM, Andre Schappo wrote:
>>> I believe I can now address Andrew's concerns about schemes other than http and https
>>> 
>>> In the user linkification preferences, the user should be able to specify the presentation form.
>>> 
>>> So, for   http://한국인터넷정보센터.한국[xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xn-2D-2D3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn-2D-2D3e0b707e&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=O6Nm4fm4C9ELRlJqiBmJJhic3shYDpHd3stiN0o4ilw&e=> I would specify that I wanted it presented as  한국인터넷정보센터.한국[xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xn-2D-2D3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn-2D-2D3e0b707e&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=O6Nm4fm4C9ELRlJqiBmJJhic3shYDpHd3stiN0o4ilw&e=>
>>> 
>>> But for a different scheme, say smb://label1.label.example <smb://label1.label.example> I could choose in my linkification preferences I do not want it to be linkified. I think that for other schemes, if I wanted it to be linkified, I would probably retain the scheme prefix ie smb://label1.label2.example <smb://label1.label2.example> in order to make it clear this is not a web address.
>>> 
>>> André Schappo
>>> 
>>>> On 1 Jan 2018, at 15:36, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk <mailto:A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Have given more thought on user controlled linkification and there are other user options that may be useful
>>>> 
>>>> Ⓐ Let the user select which TLDs will result in linkification of domain names. A user could, for example, choose not to allow linkification of domains names with the TLD .porn. Or a user could allow linkification of all domain names which have an India domain name, of which there are an impressive number.
>>>> Ⓑ Let a user specify a fictious TLD which does not result in linkification of a domain name. I would find this useful because I often write fictious domain names which I do not want linkified. So I could setup a fictious TLD, say .example which would not get linkified. Then I could put such domain names in my teaching material without auto linkification rather than having, for example, https://label1.label2.example[label1.label2.example] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__label1.label2.example_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=BpQas5IOZBsyBWQEYYIFYLVRK5sCdWFoA4NLfC5h5Ek&e=> which auto linkifies in Apple Mail and many other Apps.
>>>> Ⓒ Let a user disallow linkification of mixed script domain names, as in each label having different scripts eg hindi.arabic.chinese
>>>> 
>>>> André Schappo
>>>> 
>>>>> On 31 Dec 2017, at 18:47, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk <mailto:A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good point.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps rather than more sophisticated linkification we need more sophisticated system wide user link settings/preferences ie settings under the control of the user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first stab at such user link settings are:-
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>> Check to enable your preferred link settings
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1️⃣ automatically linkify everything possible ⬜️
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2️⃣ automatically linkify (check all those from the following that apply)  -
>>>>> 2️⃣ A. text having the form "http://a.domain.name[a.domain.name] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a.domain.name_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=xv2slSLq6WFesH0ZF1xXwWNV4DuRjbnWAC4fk7vtKes&e=>  ⬜️
>>>>> 2️⃣ B. text having the form https://a.domain.name[a.domain.name] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__a.domain.name_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=J71edTjXAeSo8JEl4RG24d833D11qQ5f4QzRY0oufQE&e=>  ⬜️
>>>>> 2️⃣ C. text having the form www.a.domain.name[a.domain.name] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.a.domain.name_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=nFUQMI2spDwpKM7EqJQhMSuzPjWuWHoCjrGCZYGl4AI&e=>  ⬜️
>>>>> 2️⃣ D. text having the form a.domain.name.in.non.ascii.text  ⬜️
>>>>> 2️⃣ E. text having the form www.a.domain.name.in.non.ascii.text[a.domain.name.in.non.ascii.text] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.a.domain.name.in.non.ascii.text_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=EfribFOSuXsjna-HQauuYiITe3OYKXCUHW5rtOxy1LA&e=>  ⬜️
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...etc...
>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would have 2️⃣ B checked and 2️⃣ A unchecked because when I have time I usually check if a site supports https when I have been given the http form.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will give it more thought tomorrow but now it is time for New Year celebrations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, again, Happy New Year
>>>>> 
>>>>> André Schappo
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 18:53, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at crankycanuck.ca <mailto:ajs at crankycanuck.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I sincerely hope that linkification of bare domain names does _not_ take over, because it gets in the way.  The Internet is bigger than the web, and we aim for something too poor if we nail ourselves forever and only to https.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Please excuse my clumbsy thums
>>>>>> On December 30, 2017 6:19:11 AM Andre Schappo <A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk <mailto:A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Really good to see UA on wikipedia. It feels like UA has made the mainstream.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2 suggestions:-
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1️⃣ In the wikipedia article there are indirect references to https://uasg.tech[uasg.tech] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uasg.tech_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=L4Gl93XO79_i03C0uygiXiDnDCMz0cELpvLUvSG5uWs&e=> eg https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UASG-Report-UASG016.pdf[uasg.tech] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uasg.tech_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_2017_09_UASG-2DReport-2DUASG016.pdf&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=zkFdi-mOrrbf6PKzpGrtXUxIIgmouELP_N9yUic_z_w&e=> I think there should be a direct reference to uasg home page in the wikipedia article ie https://uasg.tech[uasg.tech] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uasg.tech_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=L4Gl93XO79_i03C0uygiXiDnDCMz0cELpvLUvSG5uWs&e=>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2️⃣ drop the www —  eg in the wikipedia article there is the link https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/universal-acceptance-2012-02-25-en[icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_universal-2Dacceptance-2D2012-2D02-2D25-2Den&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=HP5H_Qy5Ve_cD0CX19-5vxK5FpIP_LFpm7VR4tsvMmg&e=> I suggest using https://icann.org/resources/pages/universal-acceptance-2012-02-25-en[icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.org_resources_pages_universal-2Dacceptance-2D2012-2D02-2D25-2Den&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=anUJibeQaAd3BwLcivE9lYBJTr8mwPS7lPswBg7r7Eg&e=> instead. My experience is that the majority of people think the initial www is necessary but in the majority of web addresses the www is not necessary. My reasoning is that having the www prefix is contrary to IDNs because one then has mixed scripts in an IDN. Take Korea NIC. Their IDN is https://한국인터넷정보센터한국[xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__xn-2D-2D3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn-2D-2D3e0b707e_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=gddTEL07gOZj_H4vD1MkgRzmjpTbEQXQYo2hg9kqt5Y&e=> They do supporthttps://www.한국인터넷정보센터.한국[xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.xn-2D-2D3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn-2D-2D3e0b707e_&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=GKs9Rd5VVi8OhQU_8x58X62Vcqe7P7MOgG_cm0kxrDo&e=> but they do not make the www necessary and they do not redirect to the www form.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now, what I have written is also contradictory because I have used https://[] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=jc11qkSsi3_kC48_4HhZfg9Rj7mHqoYsvKOKZ1SBzII&e=> so that my Apple Mail App will linkify. When I put links in my webpages I would only display to users 한국인터넷정보센터.한국 My hope for the future is that linkification will become more sophisticated and be able linkify 한국인터넷정보센터.한국 without the need for www or https://[] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=jc11qkSsi3_kC48_4HhZfg9Rj7mHqoYsvKOKZ1SBzII&e=> thus resulting, in this case, a fully korean hangeul domain name.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, I suggest the working practice — when possible (which I think is most of the time), drop both the www and https://[] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=jc11qkSsi3_kC48_4HhZfg9Rj7mHqoYsvKOKZ1SBzII&e=> when presenting the domain name to end users.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> André Schappo
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 08:15, Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org <mailto:don.hollander at icann.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A nice way to end a fairly productive year.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 🌏 🌍 🌎
>>> André Schappo
>>> https://schappo.blogspot.co.uk[schappo.blogspot.co.uk] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__schappo.blogspot.co.uk&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=jJTG5tn_iUuFK0EsCaCkV-hkE930O1jP2M7AASDo27U&e=>
>>> https://twitter.com/andreschappo[twitter.com] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_andreschappo&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=UiE-enOaeucp07Eb9BOfHA-Hc-_1r11SnjhOlOC6qEo&e=>
>>> https://weibo.com/andreschappo[weibo.com] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__weibo.com_andreschappo&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=VNyqGnE6LoO_PTe071jAdxeQiR5DTisUUhQCln6SXUs&e=>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/computer-science-curriculum-internationalization[groups.google.com] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-2521forum_computer-2Dscience-2Dcurriculum-2Dinternationalization&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=ud8ocQbX1Jiox4aK8OOMTKj8NpAIxlf056DjJe5QWWA&s=logNT7CZgh7nC9DRwqrnxHc-n86IqpJxBvZNPfUhMsE&e=>
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
> 

Don Hollander
Universal Acceptance Steering Group
www.uasg.tech
don.hollander at icann.org
Skype: don_hollander



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