[UA-discuss] ICANN64
Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile
chaals at yandex.ru
Mon Apr 8 15:14:23 UTC 2019
Dear all,
first, thank you Dusan for ensuring that the voices expressed in this
community are those of the community doing work, rather than simply
providing a forum for people to add random complaints under the shelter of
apparent anonymity.
It is to take this responsibility that we elected you, and it seems we
made the right choice.
Having done the research (I did some - probably less, and came up with the
same set of blanks as you), I trust that you will take some action to
ensure this discussion doesn't fill ever more of our inbox and occupy more
time.
cheers, and again thank you Dusan
Chaals
On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 09:06:01 +0200, Dušan Stojičević <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
wrote:
>
> Dear Danny,
>
>
>
>
> Firstly, let us focus on you. It’s always nice to hear a successful UA
> stories from new members, to get to know them and see how they can
> >contribute in the future in UASG.
>
>
> You never know, you can be next Secretary General. But, I am
> disappointed, because you, Danny, just confirmed that my Google
> >searches are just fine - your contribution cannot be found, because
> there is none. Your UA story is empty, unfortunately.
>
>
>
> But, I always try to see good in people, and there is a knowledge in
> you: It seems to me that you know more about structure of UA >leadership
> group, than you know about UA itself.
>
>
> So, when you have good knowledge about policies and procedures in UASG,
> you probably know how to officially complain at ICANN, so >please, be my
> guest and do so.
>
>
> Only one condition: be brave enough and use your real name, like
> everyone do here on the list, don’t hide behind fake identities and fake
> >mails. If you are so talented as you claim, you may spot some non
> transparency things at ICANN itself, maybe in the board? Why stop it on
> >cleaning UASG, let’s go and “make ICANN transparent again”!
>
>
>
>
> I really hoped that there is a good story behind, single fragment, but –
> you confirmed to me that trolling is only what you know.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Dusan
>
>
>
>
> From: danny dong [mailto:dannydong at tech-center.com]Sent: 2. април 2019.
> 6:22
> To: "Dušan Stojičević" <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
> Cc: 'Patrick Patrick Davison' <patrickdavisons at gmail.com>;
> ua-discuss at icann.org
> Subject: Re: RE: [UA-discuss] ICANN64
>
>
>
>
> Dear Patrick, Dusan
>
>
> Patrick I presaged you, welcome to trolls club. You make it right UASG
> community consist of just 20-25 people rest all as per them are >just
> trolls. When anyone raise question which can expose immoral things
> happening inside UASG he will be sidelines as troll. Only one >line of
> info for you ICANN if fully updated of all happening against ICANN sprit
> in this group and soon you will see big things >happening. This group
> has no self-existing it’s outside ICANN and on ICANN financial support.
> They enjoyed ICANN funds and >misused in the will they wished but this
> will not last long now.
>
> Thanks Dusan for your kind words. I will not say that I you are
> “muddy”, “childish” or you suddenly doesn’t exist for you any more?Or
> >you don’t know how to use Google again? You always talk about others
> contribution in UASG why don’t you make a small document >with names of
> all community members in this group with their contribution in UASG.
> Moreover please do no try to make issue sidelines >like you did during
> F2F. It’s not just about UAA UASG Brand Ambassadors but also about every
> position which is filled in UASG >including secretariat. Everywhere
> there is clear violation of terms and appointment. You better reply on
> following issues:
>
> * UAA Ambassadors appointment terms were for one year still continued
> why?* What is term of UASG Secretary General?
> * Why in past four years elections were not made for appointment of UASG
> Secretary General?
> * What is the term of everyone appointed in UASG secretariat?
> * What is the selection process of appointment of people in UASG
> secretariat?
>
>
>
> There are several issues become of non-transparency working in UASG.
> Kindly focus on issues which are forcing community to think in >this way
> instead of ignoring them and cross questioning community members.
>
>
> I am hopeful that ICANN will soon have some positive announcements for
> this group people so even if UASG present administrative >group remain
> silent unlike their past team members we will soon hear directly from
> ICANN.
>
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 at 11:50 PM
> From: "Dušan Stojičević" <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
> To: "'Patrick Patrick Davison'" <patrickdavisons at gmail.com>,
> dannydong at tech-center.com
> Cc: ua-discuss at icann.org
> Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] ICANN64
>
>
> Dear Patrick, Danny,
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Patrick for your kind words. But, but as an ex-journalist, I like
> to check sources and references.
>
>
>
>
> When journalist write, he use punctuation, otherwise – it’s a bad
> journalist.
>
> More than that, when he use email, he pay attention how his name is
> written, especially when he use this gmail account for any >members list.
>
>
> And finally, Google (again) doesn’t give me any result for Patrick
> Davison on ICANN meeting.
>
> Was thinking that my Google is broken, but no - if I google Keith
> Davidson, I get near 100 pages of results and contribution is obvious.
>
> Thank you, again, for deep explanations on everything besides your
> contribution to UA.
>
>
>
>
> Dear Danny, how about your contribution? Any references, links?
>
>
> Or even you want to say that I am “muddy”, “childish” or I suddenly
> doesn’t exist for you anymore?
>
>
> Or I don’t know how to use Google again?
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Dusan
>
>
>
>
> From: Patrick Patrick Davison [mailto:patrickdavisons at gmail.com]
> Sent: 1. април 2019. 19:01
> To: Dušan Stojičević <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
> Cc: ua-discuss at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] ICANN64
>
>
>
>
> Dear Dusan
>
>
>
>
> I would just bowdlerized this muddy communiqué short. We can just
> compunction on our decisions which is countenancing you to >transcribe
> such language.
>
> I am happy that you don’t remember meeting in Kobe even you don’t exist
> for me anymore. I journalist don’t remember a journalist >amazing.
>
>
> How Google can help you when you cant help yourself and correct it it’s
> not Patrick Patrick Davison its Patrick Davison.
>
>
> You can’t be “childish” child never do arrogant debates? Rest in Peace
>
>
>
>
> For me now UASG is no more worth to even think forget to discuss.
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:51 PM Dušan Stojičević <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Patrick,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> See, I give respect to people based on their work.
>>
>> And none of the positions makes me different of what I am. Neither do
>> this one.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t remember you from ICANN in Kobe, I don’t remember anyone by
>> that name that I met in Kobe.
>>
>>
>> Google doesn’t help much, because there no Patrick Patrick Davison
>> connected to ICANN.
>>
>>
>> So, do I need to agree with you that I am “childish” in seeking for
>> help on this, to get to know your work and see who you guys are?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Dusan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Patrick Patrick Davison [mailto:patrickdavisons at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 1. април 2019. 12:20
>> To: Dušan Stojičević <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
>> Cc: dannydong at tech-center.com; ua-discuss at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] ICANN64
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Dusan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I never anticipated such immature communication from a vice chair.
>> Sorry am I answerable to you for this and with what authority >>you can
>> do such communication with me, UASG is a community driven organization
>> , you and other administrative group peoples >>are elected by us. So
>> please respect each other and sorry did I ever questioned on any of
>> your or anyone else contribution made in >>past four years.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you see in archive my discussions, I have not blamed anyone or
>> infact if you see the complete trail email there are many other
>> >>topics which I mentioned in my initial email and not just UA
>> Ambassadors. I am shocked how you can say my communication or me >>as a
>> troll.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If I go with what you mentioned and see total email communications made
>> by each community member actually communicated on ua->>discuss as
>> contributing and sorry even your contribution on ua-discuss in last
>> four years before your election nomination was also >>just few emails
>> which is no number. Do you wish to highlight that according to you
>> rest all are non-communicating community >>members are only troll’s who
>> have selected you and present / past administrative group, if that is
>> the case what’s the point of their >>vote in selection because of which
>> you are on current position?
>>
>> Your email also make me eager to know now that how many members we have
>> in UASG community, what’s the total member’s >>strength.
>>
>> As per you they all will also be treated as trolls now if they don’t
>> make communicate or think to contribute later?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just google with my name that would make you know who I am and what is
>> my contribution till now in Internet community or ICANN, >>for UASG I
>> just meet you all during ICANN64 Kobe and after that only I become
>> active in UASG mailing list. I shared my ICANN64 >>findings as my mail
>> to DON who was the one who make me understand in length about UASG in
>> Kobe at UASG booth and ensure >>that I remain active in future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Highly for wobbly statement “What you give is what you get” I pray you
>> don’t go with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:34 PM Dušan Stojičević <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Patrick Patrick, and Danny,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for highlighting, again, the issue about ambassadors. But also,
>>> here is the issue of another nature - your contribution. Can >>>you
>>> help me on this?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t see in archive any discussion made by you on any other topic,
>>> except about UA Ambassadors.
>>>
>>> By repeating the same thing and actually not contributing anything to
>>> the UA, you are just as Danny explained – you sound and act >>>like
>>> trolls.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I really want to believe in all of you, especially that there is more
>>> than one person behind all those emails talking, but I find really big
>>> >>>lack of UA contributions coming from you. I couldn’t find anyone
>>> who knows you in person, anyone who knows your names, so – >>>please –
>>> can you highlight what you did in the past in the field UA? Some
>>> links? If not, can you do something useful for UA and >>>contribute to
>>> the list?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What you give is what you get...
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Dusan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Patrick Patrick Davison
>>> Sent: 1. април 2019. 9:57
>>> To: dannydong at tech-center.com
>>> Cc: ua-discuss at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] ICANN64
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Danny
>>>
>>> I am not scared of what you try to highlight if things in UASG are
>>> happening in such manner I think I will not remain a community
>>> >>>member in such a group. I am surprised with things which you have
>>> shared. Time will prove how correct you were I will just wait >>>and
>>> see for some time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Danny Dong <dannydong at tech-center.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You guys are thinking too much and actually you all have too much
>>>> expectation from new UASG administrative group, I pray >>>>you all
>>>> don’t get hurt later when they all also treat you and mike also as
>>>> trolls as ram did in past for many of us when we raised >>>>this
>>>> issue initially during F2F.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trust me nothing will change in UASG as UAA program is totally
>>>> non-transparent and just to pass benefit to few selected
>>>> >>>>individuals of their choice. You know who is Ashish Modi check
>>>> this https://www.xgenplus.com/our-team/, hope after this you >>>>will
>>>> sense that why even after so much voice on UAA program why nothing
>>>> was taken seriously by past and present chair. The >>>>appointments
>>>> of all old UA ambassadors was for one year which is already over few
>>>> months back do you hear any >>>>announcement after that? No you will
>>>> not. So don’t become another victim as no one will listen here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Danny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:54 AM Patrick Patrick Davison
>>>> <patrickdavisons at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Awkwardly no, I am not naming myself for UAA ? Universal Acceptance
>>>>> Ambassador
>>>>>
>>>>> I be ascertain of do present charter of UASG allow us to designated
>>>>> names for UAA? As in past also all people who were appointed was a
>>>>> >>>>>sole decision of UASG administrative group and no proposals or
>>>>> endorsements were taken from UASG community.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that it’s commendable about Aj who progressed toward
>>>>> becoming Chair. It would be decent for us to see update each month
>>>>> >>>>>from his leadership team however as mentioned in formerly that
>>>>> past appointments of UAA Universal Acceptance Ambassador term is
>>>>> >>>>>already pass away so without being prejudiced about few
>>>>> individuals, UASG administrative group must appoint new UAA who have
>>>>> >>>>>already shown their interest in past, if they want community to
>>>>> contribute and help is choosing right UAA they must amend their
>>>>> >>>>>present charter and seek support community members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes Aj has noteworthy remarks about his enthusiasm for UA and
>>>>> working with groups so I look forward for his similar approach in
>>>>> taking >>>>>quick decisions which will be transparent and in
>>>>> interest of UASG.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 8:43 PM Mike Hemp <mikehamp1971 at mail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you naming yourself for UAA ? Universal Acceptance Ambassador
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have names to be designated as UAA ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incredible that Aj has progressed toward becoming Chair. It would
>>>>>> be decent for us to see update each month from leadership and
>>>>>> >>>>>>from ambassadors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aj, I heard noteworthy remarks about your enthusiasm for UA and
>>>>>> working with groups. It would be pleasant chance that you could
>>>>>> >>>>>>include a few of us into this , its locale which will make it
>>>>>> successful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anticipating to get notification from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 at 3:25 PM
>>>>>> From: "Patrick Patrick Davison" <patrickdavisons at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <marksv at microsoft.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "ua-discuss at icann.org" <ua-discuss at icann.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] ICANN64
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Virtuous to see your response, well I am no one to submit any
>>>>>> suggestions for ambassadors. UA ambassador’s >>>>>>appointment was
>>>>>> sole decision of administrative group and no one asked from
>>>>>> community members who should be >>>>>>considered. There was just
>>>>>> one email to us about selected ambassadors who were appointed for
>>>>>> one year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I strappingly have faith that candidates willing for the position
>>>>>> must have applied in last one year and UASG secretariat >>>>>>must
>>>>>> be having the details of them which they can share with
>>>>>> administrative group. Once you all have the information >>>>>>your
>>>>>> administrative group can set some selection standards and ask
>>>>>> secretariat to filter out the new candidates from it. >>>>>>As a
>>>>>> community members and believer is UASG mission I would only suggest
>>>>>> that candidates who can really >>>>>>contribute in the mission must
>>>>>> be given chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the terms of earlier appointed UA Ambassadors is already over
>>>>>> even before ICANN64 and we still have names >>>>>>on website of old
>>>>>> ambassadors whose terms has already expired and who at present do
>>>>>> not hold that position. So >>>>>>pronouncement for new UA
>>>>>> ambassadors should not be deferred.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 6:23 PM Mark Svancarek (CELA)
>>>>>> <marksv at microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feel free to submit your suggestions for ambassadors. No need to
>>>>>>> wait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Patrick Patrick Davison
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:26
>>>>>>> To: ua-discuss at icann.org; don.hollander <don.hollander at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] ICANN64
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>> Last week I shared below piece of information with newly appointed
>>>>>>> Administrative Group but look like I am just overhear. So
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>sharing again with all in community. Also beside all other
>>>>>>> points startlingly inspite knowing the fact that the terms of
>>>>>>> earlier >>>>>>>appointed UA Ambassadors is already over even
>>>>>>> before ICANN64 still no pronouncement were been made for new UA
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>ambassadors during ICANN64 or later. I am surprised don’t
>>>>>>> we have nominations or interest submitted by peoples around the
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>world during last one year who can be considered.
>>>>>>> Cheers !!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 1:23 AM Patrick Patrick Davison
>>>>>>> <patrickdavisons at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prodigious meeting all again during ICANN and enthusiastic to see
>>>>>>>> the focus of universal acceptance universally in all groups
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>in Kobe and also in ICANN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Further down are my observations on UASG in ICANN64 which i
>>>>>>>> giving you all as food for thoughts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Universal acceptance group exertions are now building
>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Ram with administrative group members have put a strong
>>>>>>>> foundation and given strong beliefs for UASG among all
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Community have lots of expectations from newly elected
>>>>>>>> Chair and vice chairs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Issues raised for Universal acceptance program during
>>>>>>>> public forums were disastrous yet new administrative group must
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>seriously address it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · It’s fortunate that term for earlier elected UA
>>>>>>>> Ambassadors is already over few month back so they must be
>>>>>>>> quickly >>>>>>>>dropped to preserve civic credence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · We already have few newly elected UA Ambassadors now in
>>>>>>>> team to take over and if we have pending applications they
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>must be given chance quickly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · As per UASG community update counties to be precise
>>>>>>>> China, UAE, India and Russia should we key focus areas so we
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>should have new faces as UA Ambassadors in this region
>>>>>>>> who can deliver UASG mission.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Persons vetoed by community should be kept away from any
>>>>>>>> auxiliary selections. Earlier we heard a lot for Mr. Modi as
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Indian Prime minister and now in ICANN for a UA
>>>>>>>> Ambassadors, terrible and sad for UASG. We should not show any
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>nepotism towards anyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · UASG available documents must be reviewed and updated to
>>>>>>>> help community members
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Short training modules and crash courses material must
>>>>>>>> be soon updated on UASG.tech so that same can be used by
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>institutions to educate for Universal acceptance program.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · UA ready certifications for applications and website
>>>>>>>> must be quickly planned and implemented.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Community have lots of expectations from Universal
>>>>>>>> acceptance group so we should move with a structured plan to
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>deliver speedily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers !!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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