[UA-discuss] [UA-EAI] [Ext] Re: UA-EAI WG charter

Jay Daley jay at techobscura.com
Tue Aug 13 21:28:06 UTC 2019



> On 14/08/2019, at 6:25 AM, Mark W. Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com> wrote:
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> While I agree with the focus on code, I have to insist that we need a working model to do it. If there is not a consistent process, we won't be able to advance.
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> Over my time as an Ambassador, one thing that happens often is that devs become convinced that UA is good and ask how they can solve issues on their side. We can point them to the relevant RFCs, talk about the available i18n libraries, show Case Studies and so on... but that is the same as saying "you figure it out".
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> We either need an A) team of paid UA coders that we can deploy to solve the problems of target clients, B) a robust bug bounty system, or C) develop a set of in-house fixes to common languages/implementations that we can point to. We have none of these.
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> If we want to advance in this direction, this is what it takes.

Completely agree.  We need almost total focus on this.

Jay

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> On August 13, 2019 11:20:40 AM GMT-03:00, nitin <nitin at data.in> wrote:
> Dear dennis
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> Thank you for hitting the right nail..completely agree that we should not deviate from the primary motives and working to outreach.
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> Regards
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> Nitin Walia
> Director 
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss at icann.org>
> Date: 13/08/2019 18:46 (GMT+05:30)
> To: Harish Chowdhary <intern3tgovernance at gmail.com>, Jay Daley <jay at techobscura.com>
> Cc: ua-discuss at icann.org, ua-eai at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-EAI]  [Ext] Re: UA-EAI WG charter
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> I don’t believe anyone is suggesting we need to solely focus on one audience or the other. The UASG has limited resources (time, people, funds, etc.), so the key to our success is to find our priorities and execute.
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> Question is, what does the UASG solve for first? usability or awareness. I think we ought to focus first on usability, that is, make software work. Influence developers and the like to expand their assumptions vis-à-vis i18n. Fix code. Along these lines, there is an awareness component, but focused on people that work on code. As the applications ecosystem becomes UA-ready, the next phase may be a wider effort of awareness targeted to general end-users to increase usage, and hopefully adoption.
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> UASG is also looking at working to outreach governments, as consumers of technology. The hope is to educate and inform these organizations about the latest developments on online identifiers, so that their systems keep up with them.
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> -Dennis
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> From: UA-EAI <ua-eai-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Harish Chowdhary <intern3tgovernance at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 8:07 AM
> To: Jay Daley <jay at techobscura.com>
> Cc: "UA-discuss at icann.org" <ua-discuss at icann.org>, "ua-eai at icann.org" <ua-eai at icann.org>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-EAI] [UA-discuss] [Ext] Re: UA-EAI WG charter
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> I disagree Jay. We need entire internet community along with developers to achieve the goals of this group.
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> Thanks,
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> Harish Chowdhary
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> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:08 PM Jay Daley <jay at techobscura.com <mailto:jay at techobscura.com>> wrote:
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> I would like to note that I disagree with the recommendations about travel for multiple community members. 
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> The purpose of UASG should be to get non-compliant code changed and we should be using 95% of our resources to that goal. In the last couple of years we have become focused on promotion, branding, outreach, ambassadors, measurement, etc, which are all useful but have only an indirect impact on our goal. We are in danger of 95% of our resources going on these activities and our goal being achieved very, very slowly as a result. 
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> I would like to see travel limited to the chair and vice-chair attending only two icann meetings a year and the rest of our resources directly targeted at getting the code changed. 
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> Kind regards 
> Jay
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> (sent from my phone)
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