[UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting

[Dusan Stojicevic]

pet, 4. jan 2019. 21:00 Dusan Stojicevic <dusan at dukes.in.rs> je napisao/la:

> Dear William, all,
>
> Thanks. You see now what is the real picture, but... Can I see your
> accomplishments in the area of UA? As I said, I am willing to answer the
> questions to the UA community, real UA community and I see your name for
> the second time, asking same question, and I would be glad to hear from you
> - what are your results. What is your contribution to the UASG. What
> qualifies you as UA community member?
>
> Same for the most of the people here on this thread. I am hearing for most
> of you for the first time and I am keen to listen about your contribution.
> I did my efforts, le
>
> Otherwise, you are blocked for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Dusan
>
>
>
> 04.01.2019. 19:20, "William Donovan" <William.Donovan at techie.com> je
> napisao/la:
>
> Dear Dusan
>
> Overjoyed with your below response. A settled attitude to eavesdrop
> realities and precise accordingly. To some degree accurately expected from
> a UASG official to understand that people are asking right questions and
> they should be responded instead of diverting.
>
> Cheers may you grow in leader soon.
>
>
> William
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2019 at 11:30 PM
> *From:* "Dusan Stojicevic" <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
> *To:* ua-discuss at icann.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> As one of the UA Ambassadors, mentioned couple of times in this thread, I
> would like to say that I am really thrilled to see so many people
> interested in our work.
>
> More than that, I am very happy that people are asking right questions and
> especially about spending money on something good and useful for this
> community.
>
> Unfortunately, I cannot speak about other UA Ambassador, because I am not
> familiar entirely with their work and I don’t like to speak without knowing
> facts. Every region is specific and different, starting with culture. There
> is no right approaches (especially when there is nothing left these days ;)
> ), every single move done by Ambassadors needs to be seen along with place
> and time of happening. Generalization about the whole Ambassador program is
> dangerous, if you don’t have the facts and go deeper in the work of every
> single Ambassador.
>
>
>
> I partially tried to answer the questions in Barcelona during some of the
> UA sessions, but apparently, you wasn’t there to hear the answer.
>
> Therefore, I am sending you my brief report on the first year of my work.
> Excuse me for my English, I am not native English speaking person, so
> probably there are mistakes. But as I said once, by speaking English on IDN
> sessions, we are missing the topic, so please - forgive me. You can also
> see that report goes back to middle of 2016 (and with my short bio), when I
> was not holding any title in UASG. That was written for you to compare my
> work “before and after”, and also, regarding spending money.
>
>
>
> As you can see, in my case, two trips were paid from UASG. That means
> flight tickets and accommodation for 2 (1st trip) and 3 days (second
> trip). I think it’s bellow 1K USD (not sure, because it’s not booked by
> me). I estimated the spending of my company and myself for other trips at
> least 15 times more than this figure, if this helps. Opinion on efficiency
> and the answer to the question does my work fits in your vision of UA
> Ambassador role, I leave all that to you. UASG is community driven, bottom
> up initiative, and the accountability must be checked by the community. I
> personally like the opinions in these thread, and I am inviting more people
> to join in discussing the work of UA Ambassadors, but based on the facts.
> Also, I am inviting all Ambassadors to do the similar (I hope better than
> me) reporting, so we can have fruitful discussion here and on F2F meeting,
> also Don to report about money and other valuable things for this program.
> It needs to be clear to all, in order to have right opinion, also regarding
> the future of the program (I’ve seen the opinion to extend the program).
>
>
>
> Regarding F2F meeting, because in orthodox countries such as Russia and
> Serbia, we celebrate Christmas on 7th January, I was unable to go there
> in person, but I would try to be present remotely. Also, even if this
> report was not asked from me, I feel obligated to deliver it for this F2F
> meeting, as my Ambassadors report, and I would like to hear from you and
> people who elected me, to judge my work. As I wrote in my report, I would
> be “UA Ambassador” with or without holding that title, the title is
> irrelevant for me - UA and IDN is not something that I work for titles and
> UASG funding, it’s my work for almost 10 years now. I can even say – way of
> life. J
>
>
>
> I am aware that elections are coming soon for UASG leadership roles, and I
> strongly believe that those questions about UA Ambassador program have
> nothing to do with elections. Someone mentioned Dr Ajay Data, and I can
> immediately agree with everything said about him. We are working together
> for couple of years, and I am amazed with all achievement he has in the
> area of EAI, hoping that he would take some position in UASG after
> elections.
>
>
>
> If you need more details, don’t hesitate to ask, I would be happy to
> answer them.
>
> *Quote: Tetris teaches us all that errors pile up and accomplishments
> disappear.;)*
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Душан Стојичевић, (Dusan Stojicevic) Serbia
>
>
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>
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>
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> *From:* UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Abdalmonem
> Tharwat Galila
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 11:57 AM
> *To:* Nadira Anggora <nadiraanggora at cyberservices.com>
> *Cc:* ua-discuss at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting
>
>
>
> I committed to do a volunteering job not only as I said in my email which
> you did not see.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <
> agalila at mcit.gov.eg> wrote:
>
> I do not know why you ignored my email about what I agree totally with my
> colleague Ashish.
>
> Please go back to my emails, to get my point.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Nadira Anggora <
> nadiraanggora at cyberservices.com> wrote:
>
> +1William  seriously unpromising beliefs of AM & Abdalmonem
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2019 at 12:14 AM
> *From:* "William Donovan" <William.Donovan at techie.com>
> *To:* ashishmodi at xgenplus.com, agalila at mcit.gov.eg,
> don.hollander at icann.org
> *Cc:* ua-discuss at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting
>
> Hello AM
>
> I am flabbergasted to perceive your email it immaculate us your
> hallucination, philosophies and outlooks. Infact of Asian’s UA Ambassador
> as Abdalmonem also instant in what you revealed.
>
> You have a squat commemoration, we come across and interchange our
> business cards during ICANN60.
>
> Glad that you partially agree with my point however I do not come to a
> pact on any of your edicts.
>
> Astonished to observe that UA Ambassadors do not know about what is
> expected and contributed by members of UASG and as off now we all were
> confident on such UA Ambassadors directly appointed for spreading awareness
> of UA.
>
> Your heroic self-proclamation that “UA Ambassadors are not employees or
> paid consultants and paid any $'s” evidently substantiate that UASG
> leadership failed to choose right team members, as people with such messy
> views can never contribute in any not for profit community associations
> looking for voluntary services.
>
> Do you & Abdalmonem contemplate that other UA Ambassadors Dusan, Tobias,
> Elaine or John who have given perceptible manifestation and angel for UASG
> mission ubiquitously are employees or paid consultants or funded, no they
> voluntary given their services. They prospered because they were not having
> messy outlooks or gluttony.  Mortified with your chaotic compassions but
> still utterly motivating to see folks alike Ajay most perfect exemplar for
> UASG who without holding any position in UASG truly encouraged about UASG
> mission all over the places. Also he helps us to extricate why he succeed
> or people like AM or others have failed. Besides that one more thing which
> mark unblemished that when we choose mien compatible individuals in team we
> must corroborate period since when they are aiding IT industry, else they
> will also do analogous gaffes like AM who are merely fresh entrants in IT
> industry as I can decipher from his LinkedIn profile.
>
> If we be precise its must to be conversed on paramount precedence in the
> upcoming F2F meeting in Washington that do we need such messy outlook or
> gluttony thinking individuals around. It also provide symptomatic reason
> why we failed in ASIA to spread UA awareness as if we partake individuals
> like them as speakers in our important events then criticize received for
> IAMAI events during ICANN63 Barcelona was impeccable illustration of their
> stimulus.
>
> UASG leadership must cogitate and mien compatible individuals in team who
> ponder such imperative position, not those who take it to gain some
> monitory benefit or support. Yes it must be outlined again in F2F meeting
> in Washington and some elementary guiding principle must be made for
> selection of volunteers of UASG then only our mission can be accomplished.
>
> Unfortunately because of my imperative family onuses I will not be joining
> in F2F meeting in Washington but will try to be existing remotely
> conversely I demand chair RAM and other co-chairs to solemnly made cautious
> decision to get away from people with such messy views and mien compatible
> individuals in team who ponder such imperative position. I am concomitant
> with ICANN from over decades, at age of 73 unfluctuating even if I wish I
> could not make offer for this position as I can’t do justice with it but
> have aspiration to see that we have more people like Ajay to volunteer.
>
> William Donovan
>
>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 02, 2019 at 8:36 PM
> *From:* "Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila" <agalila at mcit.gov.eg>
> *To:* "Ashish Modi" <ashishmodi at xgenplus.com>, "`william donovan`" <
> william.donovan at techie.com>, "`don hollander`" <don.hollander at icann.org>
> *Cc:* "`ua-discuss at icann.org`" <`ua-discuss at icann.org`>, "
> ua-discuss at icann.org" <ua-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting
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> +1
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> Thanks a lot.
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> All the Best,
>
> Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila
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> *From:* UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org
> <ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ashish Modi
> *Sent:* 2 January, 2019 4:03 PM
> *To:* `william donovan` <william.donovan at techie.com>; `don hollander` <
> don.hollander at icann.org>
> *Cc:* `ua-discuss at icann.org`; ua-discuss at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting
>
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> Hello William, Ram, Don and other community members,
>
>
> Though I have never met your personally in any of the UA meetings but I
> partially agree with your point.
>
> We all need to discuss in detail about what is expected and contributed by
> members of UASG and with little specific to UA Ambassadors as they are
> directly appointed for spreading awareness. It should be noted that UA
> Ambassadors are not employees or paid consultants, they are like any other
> UA member and I don`t think UA ambassadors are even paid any $`s or they
> have spent any money till now at-least in India. Rather UA ambassadors have
> spent money from there pocket for travel etc and contributed in UA mission.
>
> We need to have clear direction, agenda and guideline with the Roles and
> Responsibility for UA Ambassadors and members. This may be discussed in the
> upcoming F2F meeting in Washington or in Kobe. If you are attending there ,
> please feel free to raise these points. Unfortunately I am not able to
> attend in person in DC or remotely. However it should be discussed as it
> will also be very helpful for any new UA Ambassador joining.
>
> Regarding IAMAI event, though I was speaker there and found good awareness
> activity being done by every speaker around UASG and its issues. Some
> people may not be satisfied enough and believe more could have been done. I
> would agree, we can always improve.
>
> To bridge the gap, UASG leadership may consider inviting all UA
> ambassadors in at-least one of the ICANN in a year and now probably to the
> upcoming meet in ICANN 64 at Kobe (its focused on IDN) so that everyone can
> be able to present on what they have contributed individually and what was
> expected from them and also prepare them for one year.
>
> It would be my pleasure to talk to you, please let me know your skype,
> whatsapp or any other medium.
>
> Thanks,
> AM
> UA Ambassador to India
>
> Skype:- ashishmodi5
>
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> *From:* "William Donovan" <William.Donovan at techie.com>  MailId :
> [87613749]
> *To:* "Don Hollander" <don.hollander at icann.org>
> *Cc:* "ua-discuss at icann.org" <ua-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting
> *Date:* 01 Jan 2019 03:41:28 PM
>
> Hello Ram, Don and other community members
> Happy New Year. Year 2019 will be brining many vicissitudes in UASG as the
> tenure of chair Ram Mohan is on accomplishment and fresh being will take
> the chair to foster UASG mission accompanied by vice chairs and UA
> Ambassadors in near future. Formerly it transpire can we have momentary
> update of every distinct impact how they lead to achieve UASG mission. What
> if the future take of UASG as with existing small group of few UA
> Ambassadors out of whom merely few of them were really able to contribute
> what was really expected from them specifically the ASIA region team which
> has radically botched in conveying regarding which we all overheard
> abundant in Kobe for wastage of UASG funds with completely failed events
> held in India explicitly with IAMAI. What’s the new pipeline of fresh faces
> for UA Ambassadors and how soon UASG is adding them so that the mission of
> UASG can be achieved with quicker pace? Can we expect to hear on it during
> Face-to-Face Coordination Group meeting in Washington DC programmed next
> week?   William Donovan
>
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 30, 2018 at 1:11 PM
> *From:* "Don Hollander" <don.hollander at icann.org>
> *To:* "ua-discuss at icann.org" <ua-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [UA-discuss] UASG Coordination Group - Face to Face Meeting
>
> FYI:
>
> The UASG is having a Face-to-Face Coordination Group meeting in Washington
> DC from January 7 to January 9th.
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> The agenda and associated papers are currently being prepared.
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> The meeting will consider a refresh of the group Strategic Plan
> particularly in light of the ICANN’s Board inclusion of Universal
> Acceptance in its strategic agenda.
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> Like all our meetings, we’ll provide remote access.
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>
>
> If you are thinking about attending in person, would you please let me
> know so that we can manage the logistics.
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>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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> Don
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> Don Hollander
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> Secretary General – UASG
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> Skype: Don_Hollander
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