[UA-discuss] Maybe email addresses and URLs might not matter anymore?

[ajay at data.in]

Even Voice to text as input will have its importance. Basically input methods may change but UA has to be still dealt with. 

Thanks

Ajay 

On September 8, 2020 9:23:59 AM GMT+05:30, "Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile" <chaals at yandex.ru> wrote:
>I think we could generalise. UA is going to matter more to people who
>have
>keyboards that cover their "own" character set - examples include
>greek,
>cyrillic, korean, arabic - rather than people who are already used to
>writing ascii characters to generate their own characters as is the
>case
>with chinese and japanese. (I think Indic scripts are in the former
>group,
>but I don't know for sure..).
>
>The reason is that if you type ascii already, then your input method
>happily generates ASCII, you are familiar with using the characters to
>spell, so there isn't much at stake. Whereas if you are working in say
>Russian, and need to switch to a different keyboard just to type an
>email
>address, it's really pretty annoying. Russian keyboards often have the
>corresponding qwerty keys printed in the corner - almost as big as the
>cyrillic letter that is the expected primary character - precisely to
>deal
>with this situation because it is so common.
>
>A vast number of russians, that I would guess is a significant majority
>of
>all russian speakers, know the latin alphabet. Given that there are
>subtle
>differences between e.g. Russian and Belorussian an Ukranian cyrillic
>alphabets, the same issues arise as for most European languages written
>with Latin characters, but using diacritics like é or "extra"
>characters
>like ø that are not in ASCII. Even english uses those, but like other
>Europeans we have become more tolerant of moulding the language to fit
>the
>system ever since we moved from typewriters that made it easy to
>computers
>incapable of handling them...
>
>These are cultures that are still close to the America-centric internet
>where email addresses and URLs matter, whereas the idea of typing a
>Japanese URL to check that it is not a phishing attack is ludicrous,
>given
>the actual process of doing so *lends itself* to phishing attacks. So
>it
>might be that these cultures actually continue to lead in driving
>acceptance of the necessity to handle more than ASCII - when you can
>use a
>crossed-L (common in Polish) or a double-accented-O (like a Hungarian),
>we
>might have done the development properly so that the systems actually
>cope
>with Ethiopic or Kabyle out of the box, meaning that people wanting to
>use
>those alphabets don't have to be pioneers asking their colleagues to go
>through the painful and often pointless exercise of tying to use an
>email
>address that doesn't work.
>
>Norwegians can often afford to drive social change. It is often a much
>greater effort for an Ethiopian to drive the same changes, particularly
>in
>an area like UA. Which is why I admire so much the work done in e.g.
>India
>and Egypt by our colleagues who are nevertheless making those efforts
>to
>move the world forward.
>
>cheers
>
>Chaals	
>
>On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:31:49 +1000, John Levine
><john.levine at standcore.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <017c01d6655d$054525f0$0fcf71d0$@acm.org> you write:
>>> John Levine wrote:
>>>
>>>> China is a very large special case, because literally everyone in  
>>>> China has a
>>>> Wechat acccount and that's their online identity. Statista says
>they  
>>>> have 1.2
>>>> billion active users.
>>>>
>>>> To the extent they use e-mail, it's to communicate with people in
>other
>>>> countries.
>>>
>>> Using EAI email addresses not so important then?
>>
>> Not in China. We talked to Tencent about a year and a half ago, and
>> learned that the way most people type Chinese into their computers is
>> ASCII pinyin so they know the ASCII alphabet even if they don't speak
>> English. E-mail addresses are often either the pinyin or their
>numeric
>> account ID at whatever service hosts the mail.  Tencent will probably
>> support EAI but not due to command from their own customers.
>>
>> If someone has an unusual name written with an uncommon character,
>> when he says what his name is he often wiill draw the character in
>the
>> air with his finger which doesn't help if you can't see him. The
>> pinyin comes directly from the sound of the name so it's a better
>mail
>> identifier than the uncommon character.
>>
>> R's,
>> John
>>
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