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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#006600'>Asmus, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#006600'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#006600'>Just for your knowledge, all your replies land in my spam folder too. It is a normal Gmail account<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#006600'>Seems there is something to be set with your outgoing server.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#006600'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#38761D'>Regards,</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#38761D'>Hazem Hezzah</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#006600'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Asmus Freytag (c)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 08 February, 2017 20:47<br><b>To:</b> ua-discuss@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [UA-discuss] Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Well, now, this is ironic! (Read to the end)<o:p></o:p></p><p>A./<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>-------- Forwarded Message -------- <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Subject: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Date: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:42:18 -0500<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>From: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Mail Delivery System <a href="mailto:Mailer-Daemon@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net"><Mailer-Daemon@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>To: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:asmusf@ix.netcom.com">asmusf@ix.netcom.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <a href="mailto:ajay@data.in">ajay@data.in</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<a href="mailto:asmusf@ix.netcom.com"><asmusf@ix.netcom.com></a>:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> host tls.spamjadoo.com [202.157.83.36]:<span style='color:#CC0000'> 550 Sender has been blocked due to spam activity</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Return-path: <a href="mailto:asmusf@ix.netcom.com"><asmusf@ix.netcom.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Received: from [71.212.94.37] (helo=[192.168.0.5])<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> (envelope-from <a href="mailto:asmusf@ix.netcom.com"><asmusf@ix.netcom.com></a>)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> id 1cbXBp-0004rw-RT<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> for <a href="mailto:ajay@data.in">ajay@data.in</a>; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:42:02 -0500<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: Re : [<a href="mailto:ajay.uasg@data.in">ajay.uasg@data.in</a>] Re: [UA-discuss] Spam Filtering<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: "Dr. AJAY D A T A" <a href="mailto:ajay@data.in"><ajay@data.in></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>References: <a href="mailto:1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com"><1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: "Asmus Freytag (c)" <a href="mailto:asmusf@ix.netcom.com"><asmusf@ix.netcom.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Message-ID: <a href="mailto:c8c80f8e-99fb-9069-123b-d60d0c5ec9ee@ix.netcom.com"><c8c80f8e-99fb-9069-123b-d60d0c5ec9ee@ix.netcom.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 10:42:02 -0800<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Thunderbird/45.7.0<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>MIME-Version: 1.0<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>In-Reply-To: <a href="mailto:1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com"><1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> boundary="------------B57A0E642D71E98CC02C605E"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--------------B57A0E642D71E98CC02C605E<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On 2/8/2017 10:08 AM, Dr. AJAY D A T A wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Asmus.. which would mean that you will not treat all domains (ascii / <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> non-ascii) same thus not UA ready.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Am I missing something ?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Correct; in order to keep my forum free from spam, I'm merciless.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The forum is for owners of a particular item that was manufactured in <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the US and sold mainly there, but also in significant numbers in Brazil. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Copies are known to exist in Germany, Italy, Guam and Australia. It is <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>not impossible that isolated owners may be found in other locations, but <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>it would be exceptional.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Every once in a while, the forum gets hit by spammers. So far, they are <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>invariably linked with certain countries that do not overlap with our <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>user base. That makes filters based on location / country / language / <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>script really attractive (and effective).<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>We do not have the volume that allows us to run a Bayesian filter with <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>any success. We are moderately active forum, which means that even one <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>active spammer able to register can dominate; we found that all the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>standard deterrents (such as captchas) have unacceptable rates of leakage.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>So, I'm sad to say, for this particular case, there's absolutely no <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>upside to Universal Acceptance.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>(At least not until my user base starts registering domains with emojis <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>:) ).<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>A./<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>PS: actually, I'm not particularly happy with this, because other than <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>surviving spammers, there's no good reason to close off access.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> *Dr. Ajay DATA* *| Founder & CEO *<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Get email id like <a href="mailto:*अजय@डाटा.भारत*">*<span lang=HI style='font-family:"Mangal","serif"'>अजय</span>@<span lang=HI style='font-family:"Mangal","serif"'>डाटा.भारत*</span></a><span lang=HI style='font-family:"Mangal","serif"'> </span>in your own language,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> visit <a href="http://www.xgenplus.com">www.xgenplus.com</a> <a href="http://www.xgenplus.com/"><http://www.xgenplus.com/></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> *From:* Asmus Freytag <a href="mailto:asmusf@ix.netcom.com"><asmusf@ix.netcom.com></a> MailId : [66024103]<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> *To:* <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> *Subject: *[<a href="mailto:ajay.uasg@data.in">ajay.uasg@data.in</a>] Re: [UA-discuss] Spam Filtering<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> *Date:* 08 Feb 2017 11:27:42 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> On 2/8/2017 9:31 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 04:47:52PM +0000, Andre Schappo wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> >> Recently I tested sending email from my DataMail <span style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'><a href="mailto:小山@电邮.在线">小山<span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>@</span><span style='font-family:MingLiU'>电邮</span><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>.</span>在<span style='font-family:MingLiU'>线</span></a></span> to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> >> some people on gmail. Mostly they report that my email to them goes<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> >> into their gmail Spam/Junk folder. I deduce that the gmail spam<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> >> filtering software is treating chinese/unicode email addresses less<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> >> favourably than ascii email addresses.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > That seems like a leap. How many of those people speak Chinese<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > natively?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > Most spam systems are Bayesian and have been taught to look for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > patterns that match other spam. Everyone who has taught gmail to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > recognize "Han in the headers == spam" will have to un-teach it that.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > I don`t know about you, but since I`m not a native user of Han<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > characters I have certainly taught my spam filters such rules of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > thumb.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> > A<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Precisely. As a forum admin, I would cheerfully ban all non-ASCII<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> e-mails for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> registration, because my user base is not world-wide, but the spammers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> are. Only reason I am not doing that today, is that the software doesn`t<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> know about non-ascii e-mails yet :)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> A./<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> .<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Do not Remove:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> [HID]20170208232741783[-HID] <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></div></body></html>