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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
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<DIV>I tried to install the Noto Egyptian Hieroglyph font, but still only get
empty boxes displayed instead of the Hieroglyph symbols.</DIV>
<DIV>Tried it in Chrome, Firefox and Opera.</DIV>
<DIV>1. How can the symbols be displayed?</DIV>
<DIV>2. Even if it needs special settings, will it be feasible for the average
user to browse sites with Hieroglyphs URLs and not get those empty boxes?</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: #008000">Regards,<BR>Hazem
Hezzah</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ua-discuss@icann.org
href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">Mark Svancarek via UA-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 08, 2017 10:01 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk
href="mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk">Andre Schappo</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=UA-discuss@icann.org
href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [UA-discuss] UA for Egyptian Hieroglyph
IDNs</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This is a design decision by the browser team. It’s not
a Windows-specific behavior per se, though it does inherit the Language
Preferences settings from the OS.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Here’s an example.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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style="HEIGHT: 2.437in; WIDTH: 3.843in"
src="cid:0A21570DDED34F62B38BB9D752B9EAB9@HazemBook" width=369
height=234><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>You can see that the tab text (which displays webpage Title),
which is defined by the web page, is shown in Unicode. But the address
bar, whose behavior is defined by the app, shows the URL in punycode because
Egyptian Hieroglyph is not set as a preferred language on my Windows
machine.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I did not install an EH lang pack to test, but I have played
with my Japanese Language Pack and confirmed the behavior.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><A name=_MailEndCompose><o:p></o:p></A> </P><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> Andre Schappo [mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Mark Svancarek
<marksv@microsoft.com><BR><B>Cc:</B> ua-discuss
<UA-discuss@icann.org><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: UA for Egyptian Hieroglyph
IDNs<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Mark,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>No, I only tested on Mac OSX<SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😜😀</SPAN> I have the Google
Noto Egyptian Hieroglyph font installed <A
href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fget%2Fnoto%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C396988e0fb0a479df89d08d4ae417a3a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636325043641917707&sdata=7Qh7Iam%2By1xeAfGFB4KB0G%2BWnoUukblkmlVmcJtwrJY%3D&reserved=0">https://www.google.com/get/noto/</A>
<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I am intrigued by what Windows is doing as it seems unlikely
that the presence/absence of an appropriate language pack is the only criteria
for determining whether the Unicode or the punycode forms are displayed on
Windows. Maybe it is just an initial criteria. Have you tried installing an
Egyptian Hieroglyph language pack?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>PS. I have now typed Egyptian Hieroglyphs so many times I no
longer need to lookup the spelling in a dictionary<SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😀</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>André Schappo<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 7 Jun 2017, at 20:48, Mark Svancarek <<A
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com">marksv@microsoft.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>You didn’t test IE or Edge? You are breaking my heart
<SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😉</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Behavior is the same as on other browsers, though. It
has to do with installed fonts. I see punycode for any
script that I don’t have an installed language pack.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Andre Schappo<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 7, 2017 8:40
AM<BR><B>To:</B> ua-discuss <<A
href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org">UA-discuss@icann.org</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[UA-discuss] UA for Egyptian Hieroglyph IDNs<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I have tried some Egyptian Hieroglyph IDNs <A
href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fegyptianhieroglyphic.com%2Fegypt%2Fegyptian-hieroglyphics%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C49703ac825fa4e178be508d4adbc0e74%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636324470589035104&sdata=vsSw02BcEgf4Fran6UFa4RQsyByPQy51ih%2FO46uqE9Q%3D&reserved=0">http://egyptianhieroglyphic.com/egypt/egyptian-hieroglyphics/</A>
with Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera and they all show punycode instead of
Unicode. The Unicode form should be displayed because :- <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>① The Egyptian Hieroglyph Unicode characters <SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica",sans-serif'>U+13000</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif'>➜</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica",sans-serif'>1342E are
PVALID <A
href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Frfc5892&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C49703ac825fa4e178be508d4adbc0e74%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636324470589035104&sdata=MwmUm9YbyRzE%2F5a9IijwMc26%2FHnJvmWxmuyyLBSizkE%3D&reserved=0">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5892</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>② Unicode Egyptian Hieroglyphs have the General Category Lo
(Letter other) which makes them valid in IDNA2008<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>③ Registry Verisign offer registration of Egyptian
Hieroglyph Domain Names in TLDs .com .comsec .name .net .verisign .ком .קום
.<SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Nirmala UI",sans-serif'>कॉम</SPAN> .<SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Nirmala UI",sans-serif'>नेट</SPAN> .<SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Leelawadee UI",sans-serif'>คอม</SPAN> .كوم .<SPAN lang=JA
style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Gothic"'>コム</SPAN> .<SPAN lang=JA
style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Gothic"'>大拿</SPAN> .<SPAN lang=JA
style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Gothic"'>点看</SPAN> .<SPAN lang=JA
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Malgun Gothic",sans-serif'>닷넷</SPAN> .<SPAN lang=JA
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Malgun Gothic",sans-serif'>닷컴</SPAN>. There may well be
other Registries which offer registration of Egyptian Hieroglyph Domain
Names.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>If a browser manufacturer would like a language tag for
Egyptian Hieroglyphs then I think egy-Egyp would be
appropriate.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I realise that Egyptian Hieroglyphs could be thought of as
an exception as it is an ancient Script. Maybe browser manufacturers should
handle them as an exception and explicitly display Egyptian Hieroglyphs in
Unicode form as opposed to more general encompassing rules that may well
result in Egyptian Hieroglyphs being displayed as
punycode.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>André Schappo<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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