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<p class="MsoNormal">Hazem, please clarify – are you testing on Windows or Mac?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hazem Hezzah [mailto:hhezzah.las@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Svancarek &lt;marksv@microsoft.com&gt;; Andre Schappo &lt;A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ua-discuss &lt;UA-discuss@icann.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] UA for Egyptian Hieroglyph IDNs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:green">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:green">I tried to install the Noto Egyptian Hieroglyph font, but still only get empty boxes displayed instead of the Hieroglyph symbols.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:green">Tried it in Chrome, Firefox and Opera.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:green">1. How can the symbols be displayed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:green">2. Even if it needs special settings, will it be feasible for the average user to browse sites with Hieroglyphs URLs and not get those empty boxes?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:green">Regards,<br>
Hazem Hezzah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
<a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" title="ua-discuss@icann.org">Mark Svancarek via UA-discuss</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Thursday, June 08, 2017 10:01 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
<a href="mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk" title="A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk">Andre Schappo</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
<a href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org" title="UA-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [UA-discuss] UA for Egyptian
 Hieroglyph IDNs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This is a design decision by the browser team.&nbsp; It’s not a Windows-specific behavior per se, though it does inherit the Language Preferences settings from the OS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Here’s an example.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><img border="0" width="369" height="234" style="width:3.8437in;height:2.4375in" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D2E366.D6F6E600"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">You can see that the tab text (which displays webpage Title), which is defined by the web page, is shown in Unicode.&nbsp; But the address bar, whose behavior is defined by the app, shows the URL in punycode because
 Egyptian Hieroglyph is not set as a preferred language on my Windows machine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I did not install an EH lang pack to test, but I have played with my Japanese Language Pack and confirmed the behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Andre Schappo [<a href="mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk">mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Svancarek &lt;<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com">marksv@microsoft.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ua-discuss &lt;<a href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org">UA-discuss@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: UA for Egyptian Hieroglyph IDNs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">No, I only tested on Mac OSX</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&#128540;&#128512;</span><span style="color:black"> I have the Google Noto Egyptian Hieroglyph font installed
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https://www.google.com/get/noto/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I am intrigued by what Windows is doing as it seems unlikely that the presence/absence of an appropriate language pack is the only criteria for determining whether the Unicode or the punycode forms are displayed
 on Windows. Maybe it is just an initial criteria. Have you tried installing an Egyptian Hieroglyph language pack?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">PS. I have now typed Egyptian Hieroglyphs so many times I no longer need to lookup the spelling in a dictionary</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&#128512;</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">André Schappo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 7 Jun 2017, at 20:48, Mark Svancarek &lt;<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com">marksv@microsoft.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">You didn’t test IE or Edge?&nbsp; You are breaking my heart
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Behavior is the same as on other browsers, though.&nbsp; It has to do with installed fonts.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I see punycode for any script that I don’t have an installed language pack.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black">
<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andre Schappo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 7, 2017 8:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ua-discuss &lt;<a href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org">UA-discuss@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [UA-discuss] UA for Egyptian Hieroglyph IDNs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I have tried some Egyptian Hieroglyph IDNs
<a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fegyptianhieroglyphic.com%2Fegypt%2Fegyptian-hieroglyphics%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C49703ac825fa4e178be508d4adbc0e74%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636324470589035104&amp;sdata=vsSw02BcEgf4Fran6UFa4RQsyByPQy51ih%2FO46uqE9Q%3D&amp;reserved=0">
http://egyptianhieroglyphic.com/egypt/egyptian-hieroglyphics/</a> with Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera and they all show punycode instead of Unicode. The Unicode form should be displayed because :-
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">① The Egyptian Hieroglyph Unicode characters
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">② Unicode Egyptian Hieroglyphs have the General Category Lo (Letter other) which makes them valid in IDNA2008<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">③ Registry Verisign offer registration of Egyptian Hieroglyph Domain Names in TLDs .com .comsec .name .net .verisign .ком .קום .</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Nirmala UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">कॉम</span><span style="color:black">
 .</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Nirmala UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">नेट</span><span style="color:black"> .</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Leelawadee UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">คอม</span><span style="color:black"> .كوم .</span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">コム</span><span style="color:black">
 .</span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">大拿</span><span style="color:black"> .</span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">点看</span><span style="color:black"> .</span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:&quot;Malgun Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">닷넷</span><span style="color:black">
 .</span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:&quot;Malgun Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">닷컴</span><span style="color:black">. There may well be other Registries which offer registration of Egyptian Hieroglyph Domain Names.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">If a browser manufacturer would like a language tag for Egyptian Hieroglyphs then I think egy-Egyp would be appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I realise that Egyptian Hieroglyphs could be thought of as an exception as it is an ancient Script. Maybe browser manufacturers should handle them as an exception and explicitly display Egyptian Hieroglyphs in
 Unicode form as opposed to more general encompassing rules that may well result in Egyptian Hieroglyphs being displayed as punycode.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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