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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/2/2018 1:07 AM, Asmus Freytag
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm amazed at the level of detail
that you are proposing here. I'm sure it would allow and
advanced user to get precisely the desired behavior - until the
next update that erases all the preferences...<br>
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In other words, I can see this level of control as useful for a
"production" environment, like a word processing app, but most
casual users would neither know that the behavior might be
controlled by preferences nor have a systematic idea of how to
translate any "this isn't working the way I want to" into
settings.<br>
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Skeptically,<br>
A./<br>
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And I fully agree with Andrew Sullivan's remarks. Nothing irks me as
much as having software that assumes B) is alsways an emoticon, so
formal legalese texts that have clauses numbered wit (B) all turn
into nonsense. Runaway linkification promises to be similarly
painful whenever you are dealing with texts where x.y.y isn't an
internet address....<br>
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On 1/1/2018 10:27 AM, Andre Schappo wrote:<br>
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I believe I can now address Andrew's concerns about schemes
other than http and https
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<div class="">In the user linkification preferences, the user
should be able to specify the presentation form.</div>
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<div class="">So, for <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>
<a
href="http://xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://한국인터넷정보센터.한국</a> I
would specify that I wanted it presented as <a
href="http://xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">한국인터넷정보센터.한국</a></div>
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<div class="">But for a different scheme, say <a
href="smb://label1.label.example" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true"> smb://label1.label.example</a> I
could choose in my linkification preferences I do not want it
to be linkified. I think that for other schemes, if I wanted
it to be linkified, I would probably retain the scheme prefix
ie <a href="smb://label1.label2.example" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">smb://label1.label2.example</a> in
order to make it clear this is not a web address.</div>
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<div class="">André Schappo</div>
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<div class="">On 1 Jan 2018, at 15:36, Andre Schappo <<a
href="mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk</a>>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""> Have
given more thought on user controlled linkification
and there are other user options that may be useful
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<div class="">Ⓐ Let the user select which TLDs will
result in linkification of domain names. A user
could, for example, choose not to allow
linkification of domains names with the TLD .porn.
Or a user could allow linkification of all domain
names which have an India domain name, of which
there are an impressive number.</div>
<div class="">Ⓑ Let a user specify a fictious TLD
which does not result in linkification of a domain
name. I would find this useful because I often write
fictious domain names which I do not want linkified.
So I could setup a fictious TLD, say .example which
would not get linkified. Then I could put such
domain names in my teaching material without auto
linkification rather than having, for example, <a
href="https://label1.label2.example/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://label1.label2.example</a> which
auto linkifies in Apple Mail and many other Apps.</div>
<div class="">Ⓒ Let a user disallow linkification of
mixed script domain names, as in each label having
different scripts eg hindi.arabic.chinese</div>
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<div class="">André Schappo<br class="">
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<div class="">On 31 Dec 2017, at 18:47, Andre
Schappo <<a
href="mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk</a>>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;
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after-white-space;" class=""> Good point.
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<div class="">Perhaps rather than more
sophisticated linkification we need more
sophisticated system wide user link
settings/preferences ie settings under the
control of the user.</div>
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<div class="">My first stab at such user
link settings are:-</div>
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<div class="">Check to enable your preferred
link settings</div>
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<div class="">1️⃣ automatically linkify
everything possible ⬜️</div>
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<div class="">2️⃣ automatically linkify
(check all those from the following that
apply) -</div>
<div class="">2️⃣ A. text having the form "<a
href="http://a.domain.name/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://a.domain.name</a>
⬜️</div>
<div class="">2️⃣ B. text having the form <a
href="https://a.domain.name/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://a.domain.name</a> ⬜️</div>
<div class="">2️⃣ C. text having the form <a
href="http://www.a.domain.name/"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">
www.a.domain.name</a> ⬜️</div>
<div class="">2️⃣ D. text having the form
a.domain.name.in.non.ascii.text ⬜️</div>
<div class="">2️⃣ E. text having the form <a
href="http://www.a.domain.name.in.non.ascii.text/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">
www.a.domain.name.in.non.ascii.text</a>
⬜️</div>
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<div class="">...etc...</div>
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<div class="">I would have 2️⃣ B checked
and 2️⃣ A unchecked because when I have
time I usually check if a site supports
https when I have been given the http
form.</div>
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<div class="">I will give it more thought
tomorrow but now it is time for New Year
celebrations.</div>
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<div class="">So, again, Happy New Year</div>
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<div class="">André Schappo</div>
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<div class="">On 30 Dec 2017, at
18:53, Andrew Sullivan <<a
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px
1em;" class="">I sincerely
hope that linkification of
bare domain names does _not_
take over, because it gets
in the way. The Internet is
bigger than the web, and we
aim for something too poor
if we nail ourselves forever
and only to https. </p>
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1em;" class="">A</p>
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Please excuse my clumbsy
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0px;" class=""> On December
30, 2017 6:19:11 AM Andre
Schappo <<a
href="mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk"
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moz-do-not-send="true">A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk</a>>
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#808080; padding-left:
0.75ex;"> Really good to see
UA on wikipedia. It feels
like UA has made the
mainstream.
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suggestions:-</div>
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<div class="">1️⃣ In the
wikipedia article there
are indirect references to
<a
href="https://uasg.tech/"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://uasg.tech</a> eg <a
href="https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UASG-Report-UASG016.pdf"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UASG-Report-UASG016.pdf</a> I
think there should be a
direct reference to uasg
home page in the wikipedia
article ie <a
href="https://uasg.tech/"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://uasg.tech</a></div>
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<div class="">2️⃣ drop the
www — eg in the wikipedia
article there is the link <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/universal-acceptance-2012-02-25-en"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/universal-acceptance-2012-02-25-en</a> I
suggest using <a
href="https://icann.org/resources/pages/universal-acceptance-2012-02-25-en"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://icann.org/resources/pages/universal-acceptance-2012-02-25-en</a> instead.
My experience is that the
majority of people think
the initial www is
necessary but in the
majority of web addresses
the www is not necessary.
My reasoning is that
having the www prefix is
contrary to IDNs because
one then has mixed scripts
in an IDN. Take Korea NIC.
Their IDN is <a
href="https://xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e/"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://한국인터넷정보센터한국</a> They
do support <a
href="https://www.xn--3e0bx5euxnjje69i70af08bea817g.xn--3e0b707e/"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.한국인터넷정보센터.한국</a> but
they do not make the www
necessary and they do not
redirect to the www form.</div>
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<div class="">Now, what I
have written is also
contradictory because I
have used <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://</a>
so that my Apple Mail App
will linkify. When I put
links in my webpages I
would only display to
users 한국인터넷정보센터.한국 My hope
for the future is that
linkification will become
more sophisticated and be
able linkify 한국인터넷정보센터.한국
without the need for www
or <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://</a>
thus resulting, in this
case, a fully korean
hangeul domain name.</div>
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<div class="">So, I suggest
the working practice —
when possible (which I
think is most of the
time), drop both the www
and <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://</a>
when presenting the domain
name to end users.</div>
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<div class="">On 30
Dec 2017, at 08:15,
Don Hollander <<a
href="mailto:don.hollander@icann.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">don.hollander@icann.org</a>>
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after-white-space;" class=""> A nice way to end a fairly productive
year.
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