<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Thank you Raed for this beautiful explanation</div><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU" style="outline:none;padding:10px 0px;width:22px;margin:2px 0px 0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-05-09 9:55 GMT+01:00 Raed AlFayez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa" target="_blank">rfayez@citc.gov.sa</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Dear Andre & All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Please allow me to resend my comments on the blog article that was shared by Andre in his last email:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Andre,</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">With great interest and appreciation, I have read your posts in the UA-discuss mailing list as well as your recent</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">
</span><a href="http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">blog article</span></a><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">on how to handle Arabic emails address in RTL and LTR context.</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Your suggestion sounds good at first glance. However, it is confusing and puzzling when you look at it from the point
of view of an ordinary Arabic speaking user. Hence, I have the following comments that I would like first to share with you before posting them to the mailing list. I will be using examples to illustrate my point of view. They are demonstrated from native
Arabic speaking point view. </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:justify"><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>(Please note that I will be using pictures for the texts so that they
will not be ruined when transferred by the email system)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Consider my email address:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue"><a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa" target="_blank">rfayez@citc.gov.sa</a><u></u><u></u></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">As a (normal) user I can easily make out the following (correct) assumptions regardless of the text direction:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3345175607004395826MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">The user part is always to the left-side of the sign (@):
</span><u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:blue">rfayez</span></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3345175607004395826MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">The domain name is always to the right-side of the sign (@):
</span><u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:blue"><a href="http://citc.gov.sa" target="_blank">citc.gov.sa</a></span></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3345175607004395826MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">A domain name is arranged in a well-defined label hierarchy where a TLD is always the rightmost label of the domain name:
</span><u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:blue">.sa</span></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">So I will use my email address as is (</span><u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue"><a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa" target="_blank">rfayez@citc.gov.sa</a></span></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">)
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"> without changing its direction or swapping between its parts. Consider the following examples where my email address is used in different text writing directions:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><img border="0" width="576" height="71" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_26" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">As you can see, regardless of the text direction (LTR or RTL) the email address maintain its form (i.e., user@domain.TLD). This allows the user easily construct and deconstruct
email addresses correctly without confusing and mixing up its parts. For example, the following set of examples:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"> <a href="mailto:care.sa@car.com" target="_blank">care.sa@car.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"> <a href="mailto:car.com@care.sa" target="_blank">car.com@care.sa</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">will be straightforwardly interpreted as follows<span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(no confusion whatsoever):<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><img border="0" width="576" height="107" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_25" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Now let us repeat the examples using an Arabic email address:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><img border="0" width="645" height="128" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_24" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Here a native Arabic-speaking user would make the following assumptions as well regardless of the text direction:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3345175607004395826MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">The user part is always to the right-side of the sign (@):
</span><b><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">اندري</span></b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3345175607004395826MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">The domain name is always to the left-side of the sign (@):
</span><b><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">رسيل.السعودية</span></b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3345175607004395826MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">A domain name is arranged in a well-defined label hierarchy where an Arabic TLD is always the leftmost label of the domain name:
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><b><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>.السعودية</span></b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3345175607004395826MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Therefore, the given Arabic email address:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><img border="0" width="189" height="34" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_23" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">should be used without changing its direction or swapping between its parts to maintain its form and hence remove any confusion or misinterpretation.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Consider the following examples where the previous email address
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">is used in different text writing directions:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><img border="0" width="627" height="80" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_22" src="cid:image005.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">As you can see, regardless of the text direction (LTR or RTL) the email address maintain its form.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">This allows the user easily construct and deconstruct email addresses correctly without confusing and mixing up its parts. For example, the following set of examples:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><img border="0" width="224" height="81" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_21" src="cid:image006.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">will be straightforwardly interpreted as follows<span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(no confusion whatsoever):<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><img border="0" width="613" height="106" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_20" src="cid:image007.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">However, if your suggestion is followed then the above email addresses will be used as follows depending in the text direction:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><img border="0" width="595" height="102" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_19" src="cid:image008.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">and frankly this is absolutely confusing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As an Arabic speaker we were dealing with LTR and RTL together long time ago (far before Computers where invented) because our Arabic alphabetic is RTL while
the Arabic numbers are LTR. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So if I want to write the following sentience in Arabic "</span><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">My salary is
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00b050">321
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Pound</span></i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">" I will write it like this:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><img border="0" width="316" height="90" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_18" src="cid:image009.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0" alt="cid:image002.jpg@01D18AA7.51F1AEE0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Or<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><img border="0" width="316" height="96" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_17" src="cid:image010.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0" alt="cid:image004.jpg@01D18AA7.51F1AEE0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And
</span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">not</span></b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">like this:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><img border="0" width="316" height="102" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_16" src="cid:image011.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0" alt="cid:image010.jpg@01D18AA7.51F1AEE0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Nor<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><img border="0" width="316" height="98" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_15" src="cid:image012.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0" alt="cid:image012.jpg@01D18AA7.51F1AEE0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Since to any Arabic user the last two images means "</span><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">My salary is
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">123
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Pound</span></i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">"!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Later, when computer was introduced in our region (1980s) we used to write English names within the Arabic text without chaining their direction. In other words,
if I want to write the following sentence in Arabic (without Arabizing the English names) "</span><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">We welcome the interest of Mr.
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00b050">André Schappo
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">in the Arabic language</span></i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">" then I will write it like this:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><img border="0" width="582" height="92" id="m_3345175607004395826Picture_x0020_14" src="cid:image013.jpg@01D3E78C.AED775B0" alt="cid:image015.jpg@01D18AA7.51F1AEE0"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">not</span></b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">like this:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>not</b> </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">like this:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Moreover, when the internet was introduced (1990s) we used to write domains and email addresses in a similar manner and as what I have explained to you in my
previous email.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I hope that I have clarified the view of an Arabic speaker regarding your thoughts on how to handle RTL in LTR context and vice versa.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">BTW the following represent a sample of tons of examples form famous Newspapers inside the Arabic world:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><a href="http://www.alriyadh.com/975687" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://www.alriyadh.com/975687</span></a><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><a href="http://www.albayan.ae/economy/last-deal/2011-12-09-1.1551679" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://www.albayan.ae/economy/<wbr>last-deal/2011-12-09-1.1551679</span></a><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><a href="http://aitmag.ahram.org.eg/News/38238.aspx" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://aitmag.ahram.org.eg/<wbr>News/38238.aspx</span></a><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">With best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> UA-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ua-discuss-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andre Schappo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 08, 2018 6:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" target="_blank">ua-discuss@icann.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Time to revive a blog article which I wrote in March 2016😀 My blog article is about presentation of Arabic Email addresses
<span style="font-family:"MS Mincho"">➜</span> <a href="http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html" target="_blank">schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/<wbr>03/arabic-email-addresses.html</a><wbr> Using this presentation method would make components of an email address
or domain name clearer even when mixing LTR and RTL <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">André Schappo<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 May 2018, at 13:03, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg" target="_blank">agalila@mcit.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS","serif"">So how could any application process the domain name !! It will be RTL or LTR !!</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS","serif"">Ex Abdo.</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:10.5pt">عبدو</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS","serif""><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.Ahmed <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS","serif"">Consider if the domain name starts with RTL text !! Or RTL in the middle !!! Or at the end !!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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On May 5, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS","serif"">In the same label, it's mostly a bad idea (there's some discussion of this in the bidi document). But my point was about domain names, not individual labels. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">On May 5, 2018 04:29:05 Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Andrew, Thanks for your below reply , I spend a lot of time try to do some mixing examples between RTL and LTR within the same label, what I got is strange and unclear<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%85-Abdo@%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%84.%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1" target="_blank"><span lang="AR-EG" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#954f72">عبدالمنعم-</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#954f72">Abdo</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="AR-EG" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#954f72"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>@سجل.مصر</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Abdo</span><span lang="AR-EG" dir="RTL" style="font-size:10.5pt">عبدالمنعم.مصر</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Many issues you cannot imagine , also another thing using dot in RTL context or in LTR context will give you different labels although they must be the same.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";background:yellow">To be away from the display issues we get if we mix RTL and LTR code points</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: UA-discuss [<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<br>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 2:57 PM<br>
To: John Levine <<a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">john.levine@standcore.com</span></a>>; Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>><br>
Cc: Ahmed Bakhat Masood (<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk</span></a>) <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk</span></a>>;<span class="m_3345175607004395826apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">ua-<wbr>discuss@icann.org</span></a>;
Ahmed Bakhat (<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</span></a>) <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954f72">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</span></a>><br>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On May 4, 2018 05:36:02 "John Levine" <<a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">john.levine@standcore.com</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>> I hope you all doing well, after back to TF-AIDN "Task Force Of Arabic<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>> same label.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>> - Mixing between different scripts is not allowed for domain names<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>> and email addresses<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>> - Numbers at the middle or at the end of the RTL domain name is<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>> To be away from the display issues we get if we mix RTL and LTR code points<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-size:small">cordially</b>, <font color="#990000"><b>مع تحياتي</b></font></div><div><b><font color="#0000ff">Zied BOUZIRI</font></b>، <b><font color="#990000">زياد بوزيري</font></b></div><div>ISET Charguia, Tunisie</div><div><a href="http://www.bouziri.tn" target="_blank">www.bouziri.tn</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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