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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'>I think it should be a good idea:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'>========================================<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'>Would it be useful if the UASG published a Good Practice guide to BiDi in Domain Names and Email Addresses? (I think, Raed, that you’ve done the work) We could then update our existing documents to reference it. Or, if there’s someone else who’s got a good guide, we could reference that instead of building it afresh.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'>The UASG documents touch on BiDi, but don’t go into any depth.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'>========================================<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'>And perhaps updating the existing UASG docs where appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'>Edmon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Hollander<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Raed AlFayez <rfayez@citc.gov.sa>; Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Raed, et al…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for the well documented discussion. You have identified good practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Here are my thoughts:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Only ICANN can regulate this issue at the top level.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>ICANN can only regulate this issue at the second level for new gTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Individual registries can regulate this issue at the second level (or 3<sup>rd</sup> of the provide direct registration at those levels)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Just because something is confusing doesn’t mean someone won’t do it if there are no restrictions against it. And as we see with emojis, even RFCs don’t preclude activities that are contrary to published RFCs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’m not sure where this should be documented. In the Unicode Consortium? I don’t think the IETF, but I may be wrong. Does it fit within the W3C?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Perhaps the TF-AIDN?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Would it be useful if the UASG published a Good Practice guide to BiDi in Domain Names and Email Addresses? (I think, Raed, that you’ve done the work) We could then update our existing documents to reference it. Or, if there’s someone else who’s got a good guide, we could reference that instead of building it afresh.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The UASG documents touch on BiDi, but don’t go into any depth.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thoughts, please, from this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> UA-discuss <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Raed AlFayez<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 10 May 2018 8:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Roberto Gaetano <<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Universal Acceptance <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Dear Robert & All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>We believe mixing RTL with LTR labels/code-points in the domain and/or email (mailbox) will be confusable, not logical, not acceptable and not easeful to the Arabic user communities. Also it is not safe since it will confuse users and may be a playground for domain/email phishing. With an exceptional for digits (LTR) in Arabic label if the digits are in the middle or at the end of and RTL label.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>We have reach out this conclusion after many studies on the user expectation and understanding of a label that was combined of RTL & LTR in domains and email address. See the results below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Here is a summary and conclusion of our findings of our studies on mixing RTL and LTR in domains and email address (mailbox):<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=I><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'>Mixing RTL and LTR within a label of a domain name or cross all the labels <o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3'>The entire label(s) (as part of a domain name or cross the whole domain) should be formulated from a single script and a single direction (RTL or LTR) with the exception of digits (LTR) that can be in the middle or at the end of that label, i.e., no mixture of Arabic (RTL) and ASCII (LTR) code points within a domain name label or across all the domain labels. Thus, the following examples are not accepted: <o:p></o:p></li><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo3'>givennameEMANRUS (Raed<span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>الفايز</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>)<span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> </span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> = givenname+surname<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo3'>EMANRUSgivenname (<span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>الفايز</span>Raed)<span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> </span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> = surname+givenname<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo3'>EMANRUS.givenname (Raed.<span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>الفايز</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>) = givenname.surname<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo3'>123EMANRUS (123<span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>الفايز</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>) = digits+surname <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo3'>tld.EMANNIAMOD (sa.<span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>رسيل</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>) = domainname.tld<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo3'>DLT.domainname (raseel.<span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>السعودية</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>) = domainname.tld<o:p></o:p></li></ul></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=I><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'>Mixing RTL and LTR within the user part of an email address (EAI) <o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4'>It is the same as the previous point (mixing in domain labels), no mixing is allowed.<span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> </span>Thus, the following examples are not accepted: <o:p></o:p></li><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo4'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>givenname.EMANRUS (Raed.</span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>الفايز</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>) = givenname.surname<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo4'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>EMANNEVIG.surname (</span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>رائد</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>.alfayez)= givenname.surname<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ol></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=3 type=I><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'>Mixing RTL and LTR between domain and mailbox<o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo5'>The entire domain name part (i.e. all labels, e.g., domainname.tld) and the entire user part (the mailbox name, e.g. <a href="mailto:Givenname.Surname@">Givenname.Surname@</a>) should be formulated from a single script (with the exception of digits with a condition (that are LTR)), i.e., no mixture of Arabic (RTL) and ASCII (LTR) code points at all. <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo5'>Thus, some of the following examples are clear and understandable by Arabic users while others are not:<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='margin-left:89.2pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=77 valign=top style='width:63.8pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><b>User Direction</b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=77 valign=top style='width:73.4pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><b>Domain Direction</b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=364 valign=top style='width:284.45pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><b>Display format</b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=293 valign=top style='width:244.55pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><b>Real example (image)</b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 valign=top style='width:99.25pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><b>Clear to Arabic users?<o:p></o:p></b></p></td></tr><tr style='height:48.05pt'><td width=77 valign=top style='width:63.8pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.05pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'>LTR<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=77 valign=top style='width:73.4pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.05pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:-.55pt;text-align:center;line-height:105%'>LTR<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=364 valign=top style='width:284.45pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.05pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:-.55pt;text-align:center;line-height:105%'><a href="mailto:givenname.surname@domainname.tld" target="_blank">givenname.surname@domainname.tld</a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=293 valign=top style='width:244.55pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.05pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><img border=0 width=265 height=45 id="Picture_x0020_9" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3E88F.5CB528A0" alt="cid:image001.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 valign=top style='width:99.25pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:48.05pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><span style='color:#00B050'>Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:55.6pt'><td width=77 valign=top style='width:63.8pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:55.6pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'>RTL<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=77 valign=top style='width:73.4pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:55.6pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'>RTL<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=364 valign=top style='width:284.45pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:55.6pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><a href="mailto:DLT.EMANNIAMOD@EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG" target="_blank">DLT.EMANNIAMOD@EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG</a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=293 valign=top style='width:244.55pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:55.6pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center dir=RTL style='text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR><img border=0 width=265 height=35 id="Picture_x0020_10" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D3E88F.5CB528A0" alt="cid:image002.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"></span><span dir=LTR style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 valign=top style='width:99.25pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:55.6pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center dir=RTL style='text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR style='color:#00B050'>Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:56.0pt'><td width=77 valign=top style='width:63.8pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:56.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'>RTL<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=77 valign=top style='width:73.4pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:56.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'>LTR<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=364 valign=top style='width:284.45pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:56.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><a href="mailto:EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG@domainname.tld" target="_blank">EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG@domainname.tld</a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=293 valign=top style='width:244.55pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:56.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><img border=0 width=227 height=41 id="Picture_x0020_11" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D3E88F.5CB528A0" alt="cid:image003.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 valign=top style='width:99.25pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:56.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'><span style='color:#C00000'>No<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:45.8pt'><td width=77 valign=top style='width:63.8pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:45.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:105%'>LTR<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=77 valign=top style='width:73.4pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:45.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:-.55pt;text-align:center;line-height:105%'>RTL<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=364 valign=top style='width:284.45pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:45.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:-.55pt;text-align:center;line-height:105%'><a href="mailto:DLT.EMANNIAMOD@givenname.surname" target="_blank">DLT.EMANNIAMOD@givenname.surname</a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=293 valign=top style='width:244.55pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:45.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center dir=RTL style='text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR><img border=0 width=279 height=35 id="Picture_x0020_12" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D3E88F.5CB528A0" alt="cid:image004.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"></span><span dir=LTR style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 valign=top style='width:99.25pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:45.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center dir=RTL style='text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR style='color:#C00000'>No<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt'><span style='color:black'>Please note, the last two rows are not easy to deal with, to implement, or to differentiate between mailbox and domain parts from reader point of view<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo6'>It is desire that this rule is enforced at the protocol level (i.e., IDNA, EAI) or any other levels (e.g., OS, Applications ... etc. ). The rationale behind this rule is because the mixture will be confusable, not logical, not acceptable and not <span class=gt-baf-word-clickable>easeful</span> to the Arabic user communities.<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=4 type=I><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'>Display issues when having an RTL domain or email in LTR context (e.g. inserting an Arabic domain/email in an English article or vice versa):<o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l8 level2 lfo7'>RTL text should remain intact all the time regardless of the context.<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=i><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l6 level3 lfo8'>the RTL mailbox part should be always as: EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG (example: <span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>رائد.الفايز</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l6 level3 lfo8'>the RTL domain name part should be always as:<span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> </span>DLT.EMANNIAMOD (example: <span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>رسيل.السعودية</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>)<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l8 level2 lfo7'>LTR text should remain intact all the time regardless of the context.<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=I><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=i><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l7 level3 lfo9'>the LTR mailbox part should be always as: givenname.surname (example: raed.alfayez)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l7 level3 lfo9'>the LTR domain name part should be always as: domainname.tld (example: raseel.sa)<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I hope I have provide some insight about the Arabic user expectations when we mix RTL and LTR in domain and EAI.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Raed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Roberto Gaetano [<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 09, 2018 9:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Raed AlFayez<br><b>Cc:</b> Andre Schappo; Universal Acceptance<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Raed. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just a further comment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are situations in which an email address could have mixed scripts. For instance, some ASCII TLDs allow IDN at the second level. This can bring email addresses like this one (sorry, but I do not have the skills for making a graphic representation):<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><Arabic script user>@<Arabic script SLD>.<Latin script TLD><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>or maybe even:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><Latin script user>@<Arabic script SLD>.<Latin script TLD><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Can you please describe what would happen in this case?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Roberto<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 09.05.2018, at 10:55, Raed AlFayez <<a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa">rfayez@citc.gov.sa</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dear Andre & All,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Please allow me to resend my comments on the blog article that was shared by Andre in his last email:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Andre,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>With great interest and appreciation, I have read your posts in the UA-discuss mailing list as well as your recent<span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></span></span><a href="http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>blog article</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>on how to handle Arabic emails address in RTL and LTR context.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Your suggestion sounds good at first glance. However, it is confusing and puzzling when you look at it from the point of view of an ordinary Arabic speaking user. Hence, I have the following comments that I would like first to share with you before posting them to the mailing list. I will be using examples to illustrate my point of view. They are demonstrated from native Arabic speaking point view.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>(Please note that I will be using pictures for the texts so that they will not be ruined when transferred by the email system)</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Consider my email address:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa"><span style='color:purple'>rfayez@citc.gov.sa</span></a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As a (normal) user I can easily make out the following (correct) assumptions regardless of the text direction:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The user part is always to the left-side of the sign (@):<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><u><span style='color:blue'>rfayez</span></u></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The domain name is always to the right-side of the sign (@):<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><u><span style='color:blue'>citc.gov.sa</span></u></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A domain name is arranged in a well-defined label hierarchy where a TLD is always the rightmost label of the domain name:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><u><span style='color:blue'>.sa</span></u></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>So I will use my email address as is (</span><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa"><span style='color:purple'>rfayez@citc.gov.sa</span></a></span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>)<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> without changing its direction or swapping between its parts. Consider the following examples where my email address is used in different text writing directions:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><image001.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>As you can see, regardless of the text direction (LTR or RTL) the email address maintain its form (i.e.,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:user@domain.TLD"><span style='color:purple'>user@domain.TLD</span></a>). This allows the user easily construct and deconstruct email addresses correctly without confusing and mixing up its parts. For example, the following set of examples:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:care.sa@car.com"><span style='color:purple'>care.sa@car.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:car.com@care.sa"><span style='color:purple'>car.com@care.sa</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>will be straightforwardly interpreted as follows</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:14.0pt'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> </span></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>(no confusion whatsoever):</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><image002.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Now let us repeat the examples using an Arabic email address:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image003.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Here a native Arabic-speaking user would make the following assumptions as well regardless of the text direction:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The user part is always to the right-side of the sign (@):<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:14.0pt'>اندري</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The domain name is always to the left-side of the sign (@):<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:14.0pt'>رسيل.السعودية</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A domain name is arranged in a well-defined label hierarchy where an Arabic TLD is always the leftmost label of the domain name:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><b><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:14.0pt'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>.السعودية</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Therefore, the given Arabic email address:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image004.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>should be used without changing its direction or swapping between its parts to maintain its form and hence remove any confusion or misinterpretation.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Consider the following examples where the previous email address</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>is used in different text writing directions:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><image005.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>As you can see, regardless of the text direction (LTR or RTL) the email address maintain its form.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>This allows the user easily construct and deconstruct email addresses correctly without confusing and mixing up its parts. For example, the following set of examples:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><image006.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>will be straightforwardly interpreted as follows</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:14.0pt'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> </span></span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>(no confusion whatsoever):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><image007.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>However, if your suggestion is followed then the above email addresses will be used as follows depending in the text direction:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center'><image008.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>and frankly this is absolutely confusing.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As an Arabic speaker we were dealing with LTR and RTL together long time ago (far before Computers where invented) because our Arabic alphabetic is RTL while the Arabic numbers are LTR.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So if I want to write the following sentience in Arabic "</span><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My salary is<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:#00B050'>321<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span>Pound</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>" I will write it like this:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image009.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Or</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image010.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>not</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>like this:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image011.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nor</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image012.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Since to any Arabic user the last two images means "</span><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My salary is<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:red'>123<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span>Pound</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>"!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Later, when computer was introduced in our region (1980s) we used to write English names within the Arabic text without chaining their direction. In other words, if I want to write the following sentence in Arabic (without Arabizing the English names) "</span><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We welcome the interest of Mr.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:#00B050'>André Schappo<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span>in the Arabic language</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>" then I will write it like this:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image013.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>not</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>like this:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image014.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000'>definitely</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000'> </span></span><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000'>not</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000'> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>like this:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><image015.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Moreover, when the internet was introduced (1990s) we used to write domains and email addresses in a similar manner and as what I have explained to you in my previous email.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I hope that I have clarified the view of an Arabic speaker regarding your thoughts on how to handle RTL in LTR context and vice versa.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>BTW the following represent a sample of tons of examples form famous Newspapers inside the Arabic world:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><a href="http://www.alriyadh.com/975687"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>http://www.alriyadh.com/975687</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><image016.jpg><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://www.albayan.ae/economy/last-deal/2011-12-09-1.1551679"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>http://www.albayan.ae/economy/last-deal/2011-12-09-1.1551679</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><image017.jpg><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://aitmag.ahram.org.eg/News/38238.aspx"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>http://aitmag.ahram.org.eg/News/38238.aspx</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><image018.jpg><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>With best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Raed</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>UA-discuss [<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Andre Schappo<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, May 08, 2018 6:49 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>ua-discuss@icann.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Time to revive a blog article which I wrote in March 2016<span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😀</span> My blog article is about presentation of Arabic Email addresses<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span lang=ZH-TW style='font-family:"MS Mincho"'>➜</span> <a href="http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html"><span style='color:purple'>schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html</span></a> Using this presentation method would make components of an email address or domain name clearer even when mixing LTR and RTL<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>André Schappo<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5 May 2018, at 13:03, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg"><span style='color:purple'>agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>So how could any application process the domain name !! It will be RTL or LTR !!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>Ex Abdo.</span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:10.5pt'>عبدو</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>.Ahmed </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>Where is the 1st label !!! Is it Abdo or Ahmed !!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>Consider if the domain name starts with RTL text !! Or RTL in the middle !!! Or at the end !!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'><br>On May 5, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"><span style='color:purple'>ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>In the same label, it's mostly a bad idea (there's some discussion of this in the bidi document). But my point was about domain names, not individual labels. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>A</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=aqm-signature><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'>Please excuse my clumbsy thums</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialUnicodeMS'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=aqm-original><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On May 5, 2018 04:29:05 Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg"><span style='color:#954F72'>agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid gray 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 5.0pt;margin-left:4.5pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Andrew, Thanks for your below reply , I spend a lot of time try to do some mixing examples between RTL and LTR within the same label, what I got is strange and unclear</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Label as a result for ex.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%85-Abdo@%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%84.%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1"><span lang=AR-EG dir=RTL style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#954F72'>عبدالمنعم-</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>Abdo</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-EG dir=RTL style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#954F72'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>@سجل.مصر</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Abdo</span><span lang=AR-EG dir=RTL style='font-size:10.5pt'>عبدالمنعم.مصر</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>… etc</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Many issues you cannot imagine , also another thing using dot in RTL context or in LTR context will give you different labels although they must be the same.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow'>To be away from the display issues we get if we mix RTL and LTR code points</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow'>in the same labels.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Take a look here<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5564"><span style='color:#954F72'>link</span></a>.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: UA-discuss [<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><span style='color:#954F72'>mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<br>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 2:57 PM<br>To: John Levine <<a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com"><span style='color:#954F72'>john.levine@standcore.com</span></a>>; Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg"><span style='color:#954F72'>agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>><br>Cc: Ahmed Bakhat Masood (<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk"><span style='color:#954F72'>ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk</span></a>) <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk"><span style='color:#954F72'>ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk</span></a>>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"><span style='color:#954F72'>ua-discuss@icann.org</span></a>; Ahmed Bakhat (<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com"><span style='color:#954F72'>ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</span></a>) <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com"><span style='color:#954F72'>ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</span></a>><br>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Also I don't know how you disallow script mixing for domain names. IDNA is label by label. The DNS is distributed, so there's no way to prevent mixing, is there?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Please excuse my clumbsy thums</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>----------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On May 4, 2018 05:36:02 "John Levine" <<a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>john.levine@standcore.com</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> I hope you all doing well, after back to TF-AIDN "Task Force Of Arabic</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> IDNs", I got the following regards to mixing LTR and RTL texts within the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> same label.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> - Mixing between different scripts is not allowed for domain names</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> and email addresses</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> - Numbers at the middle or at the end of the RTL domain name is</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> allowed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> To be away from the display issues we get if we mix RTL and LTR code points</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>> in the same labels.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> Thanks. I think this clarifies the point that we have no advice on</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> displaying e-mail addresses, since mailboxes are not domain names and are</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> not labels and are not subject to IDNA2008.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> John Levine,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>john.levine@standcore.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> Standcore LLC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>🌏</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>🌍</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>🌎</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS",sans-serif'><br>Andr<span lang=ZH-TW>é</span> Schappo<br><a href="mailto:%E5%B0%8F%E5%B1%B1@%E7%94%B5%E9%82%AE.%E5%9C%A8%E7%BA%BF?Subject=%E4%BD%A0%E5%A5%BD%E5%B0%8F%E5%B1%B1%F0%9F%98%9C"><span lang=ZH-TW style='font-family:"MS Gothic";color:purple'>小山</span><span style='color:purple'>@</span><span lang=ZH-TW style='color:purple'>电邮</span><span style='color:purple'>.</span><span lang=ZH-TW style='font-family:"MS Gothic";color:purple'>在</span><span lang=ZH-TW style='color:purple'>线</span><span style='color:purple'>?Subject=</span><span lang=ZH-TW style='font-family:"MS Gothic";color:purple'>你好小山</span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;color:purple'>😜</span></a><br><a href="https://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/"><span style='color:purple'>schappo.blogspot.co.uk</span></a><br><a href="https://twitter.com/andreschappo"><span style='color:purple'>twitter.com/andreschappo</span></a><br><a href="https://weibo.com/andreschappo?is_all=1"><span style='color:purple'>weibo.com/andreschappo?is_all=1</span></a><br><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/computer-science-curriculum-internationalization"><span style='color:purple'>groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/computer-science-curriculum-internationalization</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>