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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Raed, et al…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for the well documented discussion. You have identified good practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Here are my thoughts:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Only ICANN can regulate this issue at the top level.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">ICANN can only regulate this issue at the second level for new gTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Individual registries can regulate this issue at the second level (or 3<sup>rd</sup> of the provide direct registration at
those levels)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just because something is confusing doesn’t mean someone won’t do it if there are no restrictions against it. And as we see
with emojis, even RFCs don’t preclude activities that are contrary to published RFCs.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m not sure where this should be documented. In the Unicode Consortium? I don’t think the IETF, but I may be wrong. Does it fit within the
W3C?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Perhaps the TF-AIDN?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Would it be useful if the UASG published a Good Practice guide to BiDi in Domain Names and Email Addresses? (I think, Raed, that you’ve done the
work) We could then update our existing documents to reference it. Or, if there’s someone else who’s got a good guide, we could reference that instead of building it afresh.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The UASG documents touch on BiDi, but don’t go into any depth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thoughts, please, from this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Raed AlFayez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 10 May 2018 8:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Dear Robert & All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">We believe mixing RTL with LTR labels/code-points in the domain and/or email (mailbox) will be confusable, not logical, not acceptable and not easeful to the Arabic user communities. Also it is not
safe since it will confuse users and may be a playground for domain/email phishing. With an exceptional for digits (LTR) in Arabic label if the digits are in the middle or at the end of and RTL label.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">We have reach out this conclusion after many studies on the user expectation and understanding of a label that was combined of RTL & LTR in domains and email address. See the results below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Here is a summary and conclusion of our findings of our studies on mixing RTL and LTR in domains and email address (mailbox):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="I">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US">Mixing RTL and LTR within a label of a domain name or cross all the labels
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="I">
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">The entire label(s) (as part of a domain name or cross the whole domain) should be formulated from a single script and a single direction (RTL or LTR) with the exception of
digits (LTR) that can be in the middle or at the end of that label, i.e., no mixture of Arabic (RTL) and ASCII (LTR) code points within a domain name label or across all the domain labels. Thus, the following examples are not accepted:
<o:p></o:p></span>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">givennameEMANRUS (Raed</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">الفايز</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)<span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> = givenname+surname<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">EMANRUSgivenname (</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">الفايز</span><span lang="EN-US">Raed)<span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> = surname+givenname<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">EMANRUS.givenname (Raed.</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">الفايز</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)
= givenname.surname<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">123EMANRUS (123</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">الفايز</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)
= digits+surname <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">tld.EMANNIAMOD (sa.</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">رسيل</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)
= domainname.tld<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">DLT.domainname (raseel.</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">السعودية</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)
= domainname.tld<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="2" type="I">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US">Mixing RTL and LTR within the user part of an email address (EAI)
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="I">
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">It is the same as the previous point (mixing in domain labels), no mixing is allowed.<span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span>Thus, the following examples are not accepted:<o:p></o:p></span>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US">givenname.EMANRUS (Raed.</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">الفايز</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>) = givenname.surname<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US">EMANNEVIG.surname (</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">رائد</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.alfayez)= givenname.surname<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</li></ol>
</ol>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="3" type="I">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US">Mixing RTL and LTR between domain and mailbox<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo4"><span lang="EN-US">The entire domain name part (i.e. all labels, e.g., domainname.tld) and the entire user part (the mailbox name, e.g.
<a href="mailto:Givenname.Surname@">Givenname.Surname@</a>) should be formulated from a single script (with the exception of digits with a condition (that are LTR)), i.e., no mixture of Arabic (RTL) and ASCII (LTR) code points at all.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo4"><span lang="EN-US">Thus, some of the following examples are clear and understandable by Arabic users while others are not:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><b>User Direction</b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><b>Domain Direction</b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><b>Display format</b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><b>Real example (image)</b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><b>Clear to Arabic users?<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%">LTR<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:-.55pt;text-align:center;line-height:105%">
LTR<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:-.55pt;text-align:center;line-height:105%">
<a href="mailto:givenname.surname@domainname.tld" target="_blank">givenname.surname@domainname.tld</a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><img border="0" width="265" height="45" style="width:2.7583in;height:.4666in" id="Picture_x0020_9" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3E8B0.6C9C5830" alt="cid:image001.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<td width="132" valign="top" style="width:99.25pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:48.05pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><span style="color:#00B050">Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%">RTL<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%">RTL<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><a href="mailto:DLT.EMANNIAMOD@EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG" target="_blank">DLT.EMANNIAMOD@EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG</a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" dir="RTL" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed">
<span dir="LTR"><img border="0" width="265" height="35" style="width:2.7583in;height:.3666in" id="Picture_x0020_10" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D3E8B0.6C9C5830" alt="cid:image002.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"></span><span dir="LTR" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<td width="132" valign="top" style="width:99.25pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:55.6pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" dir="RTL" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed">
<span dir="LTR" style="color:#00B050">Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%">RTL<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%">LTR<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><a href="mailto:EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG@domainname.tld" target="_blank">EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG@domainname.tld</a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><img border="0" width="227" height="41" style="width:2.3666in;height:.425in" id="Picture_x0020_11" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D3E8B0.6C9C5830" alt="cid:image003.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%"><span style="color:#C00000">No<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%">LTR<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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RTL<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:DLT.EMANNIAMOD@givenname.surname" target="_blank">DLT.EMANNIAMOD@givenname.surname</a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" dir="RTL" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed">
<span dir="LTR"><img border="0" width="279" height="35" style="width:2.9083in;height:.3666in" id="Picture_x0020_12" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D3E8B0.6C9C5830" alt="cid:image004.jpg@01D2BA3A.8746F690"></span><span dir="LTR" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" dir="RTL" style="text-align:center;line-height:105%;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed">
<span dir="LTR" style="color:#C00000">No<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Please note, the last two rows are not easy to deal with, to implement, or to differentiate between mailbox and domain parts from reader point of view<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US">It is desire that this rule is enforced at the protocol level (i.e., IDNA, EAI) or any other levels (e.g., OS, Applications ... etc. ). The rationale behind this rule is because
the mixture will be confusable, not logical, not acceptable and not <span class="gt-baf-word-clickable">
easeful</span> to the Arabic user communities.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US">Display issues when having an RTL domain or email in LTR context (e.g. inserting an Arabic domain/email in an English article or vice versa):<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l8 level2 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US">RTL text should remain intact all the time regardless of the context.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l6 level3 lfo7"><span lang="EN-US">the RTL mailbox part should be always as: EMANRUS.EMANNEVIG (example:
</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">رائد.الفايز</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l6 level3 lfo7"><span lang="EN-US">the RTL domain name part should be always as:<span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span>DLT.EMANNIAMOD (example: </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL">رسيل.السعودية</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l8 level2 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US">LTR text should remain intact all the time regardless of the context.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a">
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l7 level3 lfo8"><span lang="EN-US">the LTR mailbox part should be always as: givenname.surname (example: raed.alfayez)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l7 level3 lfo8"><span lang="EN-US">the LTR domain name part should be always as: domainname.tld (example: raseel.sa)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I hope I have provide some insight about the Arabic user expectations when we mix RTL and LTR in domain and EAI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Raed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Roberto Gaetano [<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 09, 2018 9:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Raed AlFayez<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Andre Schappo; Universal Acceptance<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks Raed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Just a further comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">There are situations in which an email address could have mixed scripts. For instance, some ASCII TLDs allow IDN at the second level. This can bring email addresses like this one (sorry, but I do not have the skills for
making a graphic representation):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><Arabic script user>@<Arabic script SLD>.<Latin script TLD><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">or maybe even:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><Latin script user>@<Arabic script SLD>.<Latin script TLD><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Can you please describe what would happen in this case?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Roberto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 09.05.2018, at 10:55, Raed AlFayez <<a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa">rfayez@citc.gov.sa</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear Andre & All,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Please allow me to resend my comments on the blog article that was shared by Andre in his last email:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Andre,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">With great interest and appreciation, I have read your posts in the UA-discuss mailing list as well as your recent<span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">blog
article</span></a></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">on how to handle
Arabic emails address in RTL and LTR context.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your suggestion sounds good at first glance. However, it is confusing and puzzling when you look at it from the point
of view of an ordinary Arabic speaking user. Hence, I have the following comments that I would like first to share with you before posting them to the mailing list. I will be using examples to illustrate my point of view. They are demonstrated from native
Arabic speaking point view.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(Please note that I will be using pictures for the texts so that they will not be ruined when transferred by the email
system)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Consider my email address:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa"><span style="color:purple">rfayez@citc.gov.sa</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As a (normal) user I can easily make out the following (correct) assumptions regardless of the text direction:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
user part is always to the left-side of the sign (@):<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u><span style="color:blue">rfayez</span></u></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
domain name is always to the right-side of the sign (@):<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u><span style="color:blue">citc.gov.sa</span></u></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A
domain name is arranged in a well-defined label hierarchy where a TLD is always the rightmost label of the domain name:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u><span style="color:blue">.sa</span></u></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">So I will use my email address as is (</span><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><a href="mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa"><span style="color:purple">rfayez@citc.gov.sa</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> without
changing its direction or swapping between its parts. Consider the following examples where my email address is used in different text writing directions:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US"><image001.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">As you can see, regardless of the text direction (LTR or RTL) the email address maintain its form (i.e.,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:user@domain.TLD"><span style="color:purple">user@domain.TLD</span></a>).
This allows the user easily construct and deconstruct email addresses correctly without confusing and mixing up its parts. For example, the following set of examples:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:care.sa@car.com"><span style="color:purple">care.sa@car.com</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:car.com@care.sa"><span style="color:purple">car.com@care.sa</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">will be straightforwardly interpreted as follows</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> </span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(no
confusion whatsoever):</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US"><image002.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">Now let us repeat the examples using an Arabic email address:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US"><image003.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">Here a native Arabic-speaking user would make the following assumptions as well regardless of the text direction:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
user part is always to the right-side of the sign (@):<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt">اندري</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
domain name is always to the left-side of the sign (@):<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt">رسيل.السعودية</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A
domain name is arranged in a well-defined label hierarchy where an Arabic TLD is always the leftmost label of the domain name:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><b><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>.السعودية</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">Therefore, the given Arabic email address:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US"><image004.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">should be used without changing its direction or swapping between its parts to maintain its form and hence remove any confusion or misinterpretation.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">Consider the following examples where the previous email address</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">is used in different text writing directions:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US"><image005.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">As you can see, regardless of the text direction (LTR or RTL) the email address maintain its form.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">This allows the user easily construct and deconstruct email addresses correctly without confusing and mixing up its parts. For example, the following set of examples:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">will be straightforwardly interpreted as follows</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> </span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(no
confusion whatsoever):</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">However, if your suggestion is followed then the above email addresses will be used as follows depending in the text direction:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">and frankly this is absolutely confusing.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As an Arabic speaker we were dealing with LTR and RTL together long time ago (far before Computers where invented) because our Arabic alphabetic
is RTL while the Arabic numbers are LTR.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So if I want to write the following sentience in Arabic "</span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My
salary is<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color:#00B050">321<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Pound</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">" I will write
it like this:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Or</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">not</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">like
this:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Nor</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Since to any Arabic user the last two images means "</span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My salary
is<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color:red">123<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Pound</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">"!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Later, when computer was introduced in our region (1980s) we used to write English names within the Arabic text without chaining their direction.
In other words, if I want to write the following sentence in Arabic (without Arabizing the English names) "</span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We welcome the interest of Mr.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color:#00B050">André
Schappo<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>in the Arabic language</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">" then I will write it like this:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">not</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">like
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">definitely</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000"> </span></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">not</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">like
this:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Moreover, when the internet was introduced (1990s) we used to write domains and email addresses in a similar manner and as what I have explained
to you in my previous email.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I hope that I have clarified the view of an Arabic speaker regarding your thoughts on how to handle RTL in LTR context and vice versa.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">BTW the following represent a sample of tons of examples form famous Newspapers inside the Arabic world:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.albayan.ae/economy/last-deal/2011-12-09-1.1551679"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">http://www.albayan.ae/economy/last-deal/2011-12-09-1.1551679</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://aitmag.ahram.org.eg/News/38238.aspx"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">http://aitmag.ahram.org.eg/News/38238.aspx</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">With best regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">Raed</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">UA-discuss
[<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Andre Schappo<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, May 08, 2018 6:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">ua-discuss@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Time to revive a blog article which I wrote in March 2016</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😀</span><span lang="EN-US"> My blog article is about presentation of Arabic Email addresses<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family:"MS Mincho"">➜</span><span lang="EN-US"> <a href="http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html"><span style="color:purple">schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/arabic-email-addresses.html</span></a> Using
this presentation method would make components of an email address or domain name clearer even when mixing LTR and RTL<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">André Schappo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 5 May 2018, at 13:03, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg"><span style="color:purple">agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS",serif">So how could any application process the domain name !! It will be RTL or LTR !!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS",serif">Ex Abdo.</span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:10.5pt">عبدو</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS",serif"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.Ahmed </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS",serif">Where is the 1st label !!! Is it Abdo or Ahmed !!!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS",serif">Consider if the domain name starts with RTL text !! Or RTL in the middle !!! Or at the end !!!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On May 5, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"><span style="color:purple">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</span></a>> wrote:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS",serif">In the same label, it's mostly a bad idea (there's some discussion of this in the bidi document). But my point was about domain names, not individual labels. </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On May 5, 2018 04:29:05 Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg"><span style="color:#954F72">agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Label as a result for ex.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%85-Abdo@%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%84.%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1"><span lang="AR-EG" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#954F72">عبدالمنعم-</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#954F72">Abdo</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="AR-EG" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#954F72"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>@سجل.مصر</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Abdo</span><span lang="AR-EG" dir="RTL" style="font-size:10.5pt">عبدالمنعم.مصر</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">… etc</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Many issues you cannot imagine , also another thing using dot in RTL context or in LTR context will give you different labels although they must be the same.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow">To be away from the display issues we get if we mix RTL and LTR code points</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow">in the same labels.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Take a look here<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5564"><span style="color:#954F72">link</span></a>.</span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: UA-discuss [<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><span style="color:#954F72">mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<br>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 2:57 PM<br>
To: John Levine <<a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com"><span style="color:#954F72">john.levine@standcore.com</span></a>>; Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <<a href="mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg"><span style="color:#954F72">agalila@mcit.gov.eg</span></a>><br>
Cc: Ahmed Bakhat Masood (<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk"><span style="color:#954F72">ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk</span></a>) <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk"><span style="color:#954F72">ahmedbakhat@pta.gov.pk</span></a>>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"><span style="color:#954F72">ua-discuss@icann.org</span></a>;
Ahmed Bakhat (<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com"><span style="color:#954F72">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</span></a>) <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com"><span style="color:#954F72">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</span></a>><br>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Mixing between RTL and LTR scripts</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Also I don't know how you disallow script mixing for domain names. IDNA is label by label. The DNS is distributed, so there's no way to prevent mixing, is there?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please excuse my clumbsy thums</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On May 4, 2018 05:36:02 "John Levine" <<a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">john.levine@standcore.com</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> I hope you all doing well, after back to TF-AIDN "Task Force Of Arabic</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> IDNs", I got the following regards to mixing LTR and RTL texts within the</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> same label.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> - Mixing between different scripts is not allowed for domain names</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> and email addresses</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> allowed.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> To be away from the display issues we get if we mix RTL and LTR code points</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> in the same labels.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Thanks. I think this clarifies the point that we have no advice on</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> displaying e-mail addresses, since mailboxes are not domain names and are</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> John Levine,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:john.levine@standcore.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">john.levine@standcore.com</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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