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    <p>UASG Colleagues:<br>
      [keeping list address, dropping redundant individual addresses]</p>
    <p>I'm glad to see this discussion moving towards a convention which
      addresses some of the issues raised. Some comments on Don's
      proposal interleaved below.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-01-24 08:23, Don Hollander
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks
            for comments.  Here’s my proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <h1>Document Naming and Storage Conventions<o:p></o:p></h1>
        <p class="MsoNormal">From time to time the UASG will review and
          revise documents.   The UASG’s naming and storage policy for
          the documents will be:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo1">
            Document Number (e.g. UASG000) – this will be maintained as
            a consistent reference name for a document</li>
        </ul>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p>This proposal seems to adopt a number and reject Asmus' proposal
      for a short title phrase as the consistent reference name. I see
      the value of having a document number, but I think having a
      consistent short title phrase is also valuable.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:19d63c09e1f649abaf28713c1e9e6021@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG">
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            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo1"><o:p></o:p>Document Revision – (e.g. UASG000 –
            2019-01-25) This will be based on the publication date and
            represented in the file name as yyyy-mm-dd.  It will also be
            included within the document.</li>
        </ul>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>I like using a date in yyyy-mm-dd format as a document revision
      code.</p>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:19d63c09e1f649abaf28713c1e9e6021@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG">
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          <li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo1"><o:p></o:p>Document Link – (e.g. <span
              style="color:#ED7D31">English</span> <a
href="https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/UASG-000-Inventory-of-Material.pdf"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/UASG-000-Inventory-of-Material.pdf</a>
            ) This will be based on the language of the document and is
            what’s published on the UASG.Tech website and will retrieve
            the latest official version of the document. 
          </li>
        </ul>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>I have reservations about embedding text like
      "wp-content/uploads/" in the official document link for our
      documents. It seems to be an artifact of our current website
      technology, which has no place in the official link. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I would suggest a link authored solely for being a clear
      reference, e.g. <br>
    </p>
    <blockquote>
      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://uasg.tech/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material/">https://uasg.tech/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material/</a> <br>
      </p>
    </blockquote>
    <p>If we are using document numbers, we should use them consistency.
      Note "UASG-000" in the proposed document link differs from
      "UASG000", the proposed document number. They should be the same.
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>It might be good to insert a language code in our URLs. I hope in
      good time we will have our website and our important publications
      in several different languages. The document link might be, <br>
    </p>
    <blockquote>
      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material/">https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material/</a>
      </p>
    </blockquote>
    <p>The same document can be published in different formats.
      Additionally, there is a need to refer to metadata about the
      document. Metadata includes: a list of links to different
      revisions of the document, a list of links to different language
      versions of the same document, an abstract, revision details, and
      so on. <br>
    </p>
    <p>So, I propose we make a Document Link structure which can
      consistently refer to:</p>
    <ul>
      <li>the PDF representation of a current revision of a document,
        e.g.
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material.pdf">https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material.pdf</a>,
        <br>
      </li>
      <li>the HTML representation of a current revision of a document,
        e.g.
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material.html">https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material.html</a>,</li>
      <li>the HTML representation of metadata revision of a document,
        e.g.
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material">https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material</a>,
      </li>
      <li>the (PDF or other format) representation of a specific
        revision of a document, e.g.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material/2019-01-24/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material.pdf">https://uasg.tech/en/publications/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material/2019-01-24/UASG000-Inventory-of-Material.pdf</a>,
      </li>
      <li>all of the above in a different language, e.g.
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://uasg.tech/ja/文書/UASG000-文書一覧.pdf">https://uasg.tech/ja/文書/UASG000-文書一覧.pdf</a> [Example only; I am not
        a skilled speaker of Japanese, I probably made bad choices for
        the translation into Japanese. —Jim]</li>
    </ul>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:19d63c09e1f649abaf28713c1e9e6021@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG">
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            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo1"><o:p></o:p>Archives: The UASG.tech website will
            include a repository of deprecated versions of documents
            that will be stored and displayed based on its file name
            (which will include the published date)</li>
        </ul>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Agreed. I am proposing that one link to the deprecated version of
      documents be in the metadata page for that document, and that our
      document link convention specify the document link format for
      deprecated versions also.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:19d63c09e1f649abaf28713c1e9e6021@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG">
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          <li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo1"><o:p></o:p>Revision Details: For most documents we
            will maintain a table at the end showing a summary of
            revisions.  Where a document is used a brochure, this will
            not be done.<o:p></o:p></li>
        </ul>
        <span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Agreed. I am also proposing that the metadata page for a document
      include a summary of revisions, even for brochures.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Other comments?<br>
               —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:19d63c09e1f649abaf28713c1e9e6021@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> UA-discuss
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Asmus Freytag (c)<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 9 January 2019 2:09 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Mike Hemp <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mikehamp1971@mail.com"><mikehamp1971@mail.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Proposal: Handling
                Numbering of the UASG Documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 1/8/2019 3:58 PM, Mike Hemp wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For
                  the god sake do not make it complicated for people.
                  RFC/IETF is only for highly technical community not
                  for website and general application developers. Keep
                  complications behind and keep the things simple for
                  general audience. UASG is for everyone and must be
                  understood very easily. Asmus idea is great. Get rid
                  of numbers please. People who make money from
                  technical stuff make issues complicated and would come
                  up with such ideas. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p>W3C manages without numbers.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>But that requires short names like "CSS" or "HTML" or
          something.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Having to always cite documents by a full title like "<span
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">email address
            internationalization EAI a technical_overview</span>" gets
          pretty old.  However, changing the title around a bit to
          something like EAI Overview: Email Address
          Internationalization (EAI), would allow "EAI Oveview" or "UASG
          EAI Overview" as shorthand, which arguably would be more
          self-explanatory than UASG 02.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>A./<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Wednesday,
                        January 09, 2019 at 3:01 AM<br>
                        <b>From:</b> "Asmus Freytag" <a
                          href="mailto:asmusf@ix.netcom.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><asmusf@ix.netcom.com></a><br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Proposal:
                        Handling Numbering of the UASG Documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For
                            comparison, the Unicode Standard has the
                            model where a link generally would get you
                            the latest version of a document, but each
                            document contains a header with a link to
                            the previous revision of the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">That
                            way, if you want to point people to the
                            latest version of a document you can use an
                            "evergreen" link, but if you need to be sure
                            that the link goes to a specific version,
                            there's that option as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a
href="http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a
href="http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/latest"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/latest</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">would
                            get the latest version and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a
href="http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/2018-05-12/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/2018-05-12/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">would
                            be a specific version. Each version
                            remaining unaltered once posted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">A./<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
                            1/8/2019 12:54 PM, Jim DeLaHunt wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">UA
                            Colleagues:<br>
                            <br>
                            I think the problem Michael points out is a
                            real one, and worthy of attention.<br>
                            <br>
                            On 2019-01-08 07:03, Michael Casadevall
                            wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">So
                              currently, the UASG publishes various
                              documents such as UASG 0005 and<br>
                              0007 and occasionally updates these
                              documents to reflect best current<br>
                              practices. For example, the UA Quick Guide
                              was on Version 9 before it<br>
                              was removed for revision.<br>
                              <br>
                              One thing I'm concerned on is that it's
                              not clear that a document has<br>
                              been updated, nor what has changed from
                              version to version. Furthermore,<br>
                              when dealing with old discussions, a
                              document may have changed from a<br>
                              message or posted....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Michael
                            proposes one alternative,
                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <blockquote
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">…to
                              change the numbering and management of
                              UASG documentation<br>
                              to model it around the RFC/IETF where a
                              document is static once<br>
                              published (with errata linked), and is
                              obsoleted/superseded by future<br>
                              documents.…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                            Another alternative is to keep the document
                            number unchanged, but to have a
                            clearly-defined revision date for each
                            version of a document, and to always cite a
                            revision date along with the document
                            number. So, we would say "UASG012 Email
                            Address Internationalization (EAI): A
                            Technical Overview (v 2018-05-12)" instead
                            of "UASG012" or "Email Address
                            Internationalization (EAI): A Technical
                            Overview".<br>
                            <br>
                            Whichever we do, I believe we should set
                            editorial standards that each document has
                            a) document title, b) UASG number, and c)
                            revision date clearly on the front cover and
                            in the file name of each document issued.
                            Looking through some existing documents, we
                            seem to be inconsistent about this. It makes
                            documents harder to find and harder to cite.<br>
                            <br>
                            I believe we should also define standard,
                            persistent URLs for each document, something
                            like:<br>
                            <br>
                            <a
href="http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/2018-05-12/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://uasg.tech/document/uasg012/email_address_internationalization_EAI_a_technical_overview/2018-05-12/</a><br>
                            <br>
                            and ensure that visiting such a URL with a
                            web browser returns either the document file
                            itself, or a page describing the document
                            and allowing one to download it.  I find it
                            hard to put links to UASG documents into
                            presentations, because it's difficult to
                            figure out which URL to use, and how much to
                            trust it to stay usable over time.<br>
                            <br>
                            Best regard,<br>
                                 —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada<br>
                             <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p style="background:white"><span
                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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