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<p class="MsoNormal">ALAC is holding a Universal Acceptance discussion on March 13. I am not sure I will be able to attend, but I recommend that as many UASGers as possible participate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2019 19:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I find interesting that (a) UAI is targeted at the end-user, and consequently, the end-user is a stakeholder in UASG's work; (b) we have decided that we will not engage directly with end-users; and (c) Despite deciding so, we 'informally'
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<p class="MsoNormal">IMO, there is a bit of contradiction when these are taken together, and I respectfully suggest that the UASG clarifies its position
<i>vis-à-vis</i> end-users. Noting that UASG does not perhaps have the resources to directly reach out to end-users everywhere, a more pragmatic approach may be to engage with end-user organizations/communities including, but not limited to, ICANN At-Large.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:48 AM Dusan Stojicevic <<a href="mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs">dusan@dukes.in.rs</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From my opinion, Roberto is right. And, indeed, with this document, we are not addressing end users, and Lars is also right - UASG strategies doesn't include end users. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But, UASG targets end users, even if it's not written in strategies. Firstly, ambassadors program - we heard in Barcelona about workshops that they have done. In audience, there was students, gov people and many more different kind of people.
And some of them are end users. Let me try to emphasize that most of those groups (f.e. gov) is firstly user and then it can become promoter of UA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not only about this program, but we decided to make an effort to promote UA more on IGF events, global, regional and national. On this events we are addressing also to end users.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My logic on this is almost the same as Roberto's: when you promote something labeled for years as "it doesn't work" firstly you need to explain to everyone (all target groups) that "it works" on the level of end user. Then we can touch
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<p class="MsoNormal">And we miss FAQ for users. That's what I heard from people even connected to domain industry.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">čet, 28. feb 2019. 20:40 Roberto Gaetano <<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>> je napisao/la:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, I do believe that in one way or the other end users are critical in this process, so there is some value in trying to engage them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After all, UASG is not the only forum where these issues are discussed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I imagine average end users, I think of people outside the domain industry. I don´t know anybody outside the industry who is exited about domain names at all. I count ALAC to the industry and/or community around this industry. Let´s
face the bitter truth: We lack a critical mass out there that “just needs to be mobilized to ask for this”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And so yes, the outreach strategy of the UASG does not include end users. We target developers, system architect, CIOs and C* Suite influencers. We are explicitly NOT targeting consumers nor registrants.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All the best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Von:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">UA-discuss <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>>
im Auftrag von Roberto Gaetano <<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Datum:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2019 um 21:40<br>
<b>An:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <<a href="mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com" target="_blank">dtantanaka@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Universal Acceptance <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" target="_blank">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From my point of view, the ultimate beneficiary of UA is the end user, who will be allowed to access the Internet using his/her own language and script, and the local content providers, who can ensure that local people can access what they
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, I am under the impression that the voice of the users is not particularly significant in the UASG - maybe this is also by design, as end users can seldom be excited by technical discussions and there are significant technical issues
that UASG has to address in priority. However, they should be the ones “asking for this”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My point is that we need to get end users more involved, so that they can become more active and even more “pushy” for UA. I am personally active in ALAC - although I have no official position there - and have some difficulties in getting
the attention on these issues. I am wondering whether we can use the upcoming Kobe meeting to have more involvement from this relevant stakeholder group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One question that I get asked sometimes is “who is asking for this?” The FAQ lightly touches on “the expansion of the internet”, but perhaps this question should be incorporated in a next iteration. I believe this dove tails with Mark’s
valid point about languages of the web (and evolution throughout the years).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">UA-discuss <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</span></a>>
on behalf of Don Hollander <<a href="mailto:don.hollander@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">don.hollander@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, February 25, 2019 at 6:59 PM<br>
<b>To:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">UA-discuss@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">ua-discuss@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[EXTERNAL] [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have this FAQ published at<span class="gmail-m4845687303910801544m-4128309596549242348apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuasg.tech%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F08%2FUASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C554fd1be0ef6498556d408d69df675ed%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636870079235962615&sdata=J71nnUovLtaOUdX25Kz4KB8ANWJkb%2FPeuwxx5ocJ9IY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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