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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/11/2019 1:46 PM, Mark Svancarek
(CELA) wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><i>A more restricted prohibition
might give a better balance: insist that all emoji in an
email name are treated as ignorable. That way, people can
add them, as long as the remainder of the name contains a
string of unique code points. You would be able to have I</i><i><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span>NYC, but not if
someone else has INYC.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">Asmus</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext">, this is a great idea. I don’t
know what role UASG might have in promoting it, but I am
personally game to try.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Also, more
people should use the word “churlish”.</span></p>
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<p>Indeed !</p>
<p>A./<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">/marksv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> UA-discuss
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Asmus Freytag<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:15<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note
about emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/11/2019 11:39 AM, Mark Svancarek
(CELA) via UA-discuss wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pedantically, I think Ajay is asking
about mailbox names. UASG and SSAC have historically
weighed in against emojis in domain names. But I think we
have neglected to indicate that we oppose them in mailbox
names as well. There is no equivalent of IDNA for mailbox
names, so we could be more explicit about our opposition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Mark,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I definitely agree.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If we run into violent opposition, because many users decide
to view that restriction as churlish, there's a possible
fallback:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>E-mail names, unlike domain names, already aren't treated as
"exact match"; for example certain punctuation is ignored.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>A more restricted prohibition might give a better balance:
insist that all emoji in an email name are treated as
ignorable. That way, people can add them, as long as the
remainder of the name contains a string of unique code points.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>You would be able to have I<span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span>NYC, but not if
someone else has INYC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This slightly more relaxed stance may be a useful fallback if
we find that we cannot get traction with a full prohibition.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>A./<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>PS: this technique doesn't work as well with domain names as
it would have to be implemented by registering all these
variants, thus lead to combinatorial explosion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss <a
href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org></a> <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Mark W. Datysgeld<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2019 07:09<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>; Lars
Steffen
<a href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de"
moz-do-not-send="true"><lars.steffen@eco.de></a>;
Dr Ajay Data <a href="mailto:ajay@data.in"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ajay@data.in></a>; universal access <a
href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ua-discuss@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note
about emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="DE">While valid, the SSAC basically concluded we
should not be using them:
<a
href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffeatures.icann.org%2Fssac-advisory-use-emoji-domain-name&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C3fa3902664544098b0a908d6beb20216%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636906069091779454&sdata=5F69RLHWd9EX2mMvosxjyZ7NtSa7yj6z3r5xtkj5Va4%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://features.icann.org/ssac-advisory-use-emoji-domain-name</a><br>
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So it would be very hard at the moment to push for any
kind of change in spam filters. There is ongoing
discussion in terms of acceptable characters and such, but
that seems to be going nowhere fast.<br>
-- <br>
Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [<a
href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markwd.website&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C3fa3902664544098b0a908d6beb20216%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636906069091779454&sdata=%2F98av%2B4q3FSsknSNm1pxdLzLq%2FgT6vsTqX%2FyDFWJiy0%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.markwd.website</a>]<br>
Representing businesses in IG together with AR-TARC and
ABES</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">On April 11, 2019
8:48:48 AM GMT-03:00, Lars Steffen <<a
href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">lars.steffen@eco.de</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">May I quote from
the 2 March 2018:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">...what
we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current
standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for
UASG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Lars</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="DE">Von: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="DE">UA-discuss <<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>>
im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <<a
href="mailto:ajay@data.in" moz-do-not-send="true">ajay@data.in</a>><br>
<b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10<br>
<b>An: </b>universal access <<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff: </b>[UA-discuss] interesting to note
about emoji in mailbox name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"
lang="DE">Some Interesting things to note:<br>
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I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address
with heart shape..</span><span lang="DE"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE">@data.in and
</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">♥</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE">@data.in <br>
</span><span lang="DE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">( </span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
lang="DE"> - xn--qei and </span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">♥</span><span
lang="DE"> - xn--g6h )<br>
<br>
When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile
devices these above hearts are shown in different
red shades. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="DE">However If I send email to Gmail /
Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only
spam, Gmail displays the following warning. - </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red" lang="DE">This
message seems dangerous</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">The sender’s
email address uses abnormal characters, which
might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid
clicking links, downloading attachments, or
replying to this message.<br>
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Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our
views around it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
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lang="DE">Dr. Ajay Data</span></strong><b><span
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</span></b><span lang="DE">Founder & CEO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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