<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/11/2019 11:39 AM, Mark Svancarek
(CELA) via UA-discuss wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:BYAPR21MB13173781FAAA6A0141701705D12F0@BYAPR21MB1317.namprd21.prod.outlook.com">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered
medium)">
<!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style><![endif]-->
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Yu Gothic";
panose-1:2 11 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Verdana;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji";
panose-1:2 11 5 2 4 2 4 2 2 3;}
@font-face
{font-family:"\@Yu Gothic";
panose-1:2 11 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:#0563C1;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:#954F72;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle18
{mso-style-type:personal;
color:windowtext;}
span.apple-converted-space
{mso-style-name:apple-converted-space;}
span.EmailStyle22
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 56.7pt 70.85pt;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal">Pedantically, I think Ajay is asking about
mailbox names. UASG and SSAC have historically weighed in
against emojis in domain names. But I think we have neglected
to indicate that we oppose them in mailbox names as well.
There is no equivalent of IDNA for mailbox names, so we could
be more explicit about our opposition.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I definitely agree.</p>
<p>If we run into violent opposition, because many users decide to
view that restriction as churlish, there's a possible fallback:<br>
</p>
<p>E-mail names, unlike domain names, already aren't treated as
"exact match"; for example certain punctuation is ignored.</p>
<p>A more restricted prohibition might give a better balance: insist
that all emoji in an email name are treated as ignorable. That
way, people can add them, as long as the remainder of the name
contains a string of unique code points.</p>
<p>You would be able to have I<span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE"></span>NYC, but not if
someone else has INYC.</p>
<p>This slightly more relaxed stance may be a useful fallback if we
find that we cannot get traction with a full prohibition.</p>
<p>A./</p>
<p>PS: this technique doesn't work as well with domain names as it
would have to be implemented by registering all these variants,
thus lead to combinatorial explosion.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:BYAPR21MB13173781FAAA6A0141701705D12F0@BYAPR21MB1317.namprd21.prod.outlook.com">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mark W. Datysgeld<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2019 07:09<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>; Lars Steffen
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de"><lars.steffen@eco.de></a>; Dr Ajay Data
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ajay@data.in"><ajay@data.in></a>; universal access
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"><ua-discuss@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about
emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="DE">While valid, the SSAC basically concluded we
should not be using them:
<a
href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffeatures.icann.org%2Fssac-advisory-use-emoji-domain-name&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C1d438f79ebff4735138b08d6be874922%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636905885599339262&sdata=hoba%2BPffpPNTuelh7hiKAIy8u5g8p1x0X2HuiOtRuko%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://features.icann.org/ssac-advisory-use-emoji-domain-name</a><br>
<br>
So it would be very hard at the moment to push for any kind
of change in spam filters. There is ongoing discussion in
terms of acceptable characters and such, but that seems to
be going nowhere fast.<br>
-- <br>
Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.markwd.website">www.markwd.website</a>]<br>
Representing businesses in IG together with AR-TARC and ABES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">On April 11, 2019 8:48:48
AM GMT-03:00, Lars Steffen <<a
href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de" moz-do-not-send="true">lars.steffen@eco.de</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">May I quote from the
2 March 2018:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="color:black">...what we agreed to is that emojis
are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As
such it is out of scope for UASG.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Lars</span><span
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="DE">Von:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="DE">UA-discuss <<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>>
im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <<a
href="mailto:ajay@data.in" moz-do-not-send="true">ajay@data.in</a>><br>
<b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10<br>
<b>An: </b>universal access <<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff: </b>[UA-discuss] interesting to note
about emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"
lang="DE">Some Interesting things to note:<br>
<br>
I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address
with heart shape..</span><span lang="DE"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE">@data.in and
</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">♥</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE">@data.in <br>
</span><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">( </span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
lang="DE"> - xn--qei and </span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">♥</span><span
lang="DE"> - xn--g6h )<br>
<br>
When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile
devices these above hearts are shown in different red
shades. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="DE">However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook,
they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail
displays the following warning. - <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red" lang="DE">This
message seems dangerous</span></strong><span
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">The sender’s email
address uses abnormal characters, which might be
used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links,
downloading attachments, or replying to this
message.<br>
<br>
Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our
views around it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div id="mySignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="DE">Dr. Ajay Data</span></strong><b><span
lang="DE"><br>
</span></b><span lang="DE">Founder & CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div id="mySignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:white"
lang="DE">[XGENFOOTER]</span><span lang="DE"><br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:white"
lang="DE">[-XGENFOOTER]</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#D2DEEA"
lang="DE">Do not Remove:<br>
[HID]20190411124031186[-HID]</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="border:solid windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in" lang="DE"><img
style="width:.3333in;height:.3333in" id="_x0000_i1026"
src="cid:~WRD219.jpg" alt="Das Bild wurde vom Absender
entfernt." moz-do-not-send="true" width="32"
height="32" border="0"></span><span
style="border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"
lang="DE"><img style="width:.3333in;height:.3333in"
id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:~WRD219.jpg" alt="Das Bild
wurde vom Absender entfernt." moz-do-not-send="true"
width="32" height="32" border="0"></span><span
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p><br>
</p>
</body>
</html>