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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/11/2019 11:39 AM, Mark Svancarek
      (CELA) via UA-discuss wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Pedantically, I think Ajay is asking about
          mailbox names.  UASG and SSAC have historically weighed in
          against emojis in domain names.  But I think we have neglected
          to indicate that we oppose them in mailbox names as well. 
          There is no equivalent of IDNA for mailbox names, so we could
          be more explicit about our opposition.</p>
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    <p>Mark,</p>
    <p>I definitely agree.</p>
    <p>If we run into violent opposition, because many users decide to
      view that restriction as churlish, there's a possible fallback:<br>
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    <p>E-mail names, unlike domain names, already aren't treated as
      "exact match"; for example certain punctuation is ignored.</p>
    <p>A more restricted prohibition might give a better balance: insist
      that all emoji in an email name are treated as ignorable. That
      way, people can add them, as long as the remainder of the name
      contains a string of unique code points.</p>
    <p>You would be able to have I<span
        style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
        Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
        style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE"></span>NYC, but not if
      someone else has INYC.</p>
    <p>This slightly more relaxed stance may be a useful fallback if we
      find that we cannot get traction with a full prohibition.</p>
    <p>A./</p>
    <p>PS: this technique doesn't work as well with domain names as it
      would have to be implemented by registering all these variants,
      thus lead to combinatorial explosion.<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"><ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of
              </b>Mark W. Datysgeld<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2019 07:09<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>; Lars Steffen
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de"><lars.steffen@eco.de></a>; Dr Ajay Data
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ajay@data.in"><ajay@data.in></a>; universal access
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"><ua-discuss@icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about
              emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            lang="DE">While valid, the SSAC basically concluded we
            should not be using them:
            <a
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https://features.icann.org/ssac-advisory-use-emoji-domain-name</a><br>
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            So it would be very hard at the moment to push for any kind
            of change in spam filters. There is ongoing discussion in
            terms of acceptable characters and such, but that seems to
            be going nowhere fast.<br>
            -- <br>
            Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.markwd.website">www.markwd.website</a>]<br>
            Representing businesses in IG together with AR-TARC and ABES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">On April 11, 2019 8:48:48
              AM GMT-03:00, Lars Steffen <<a
                href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de" moz-do-not-send="true">lars.steffen@eco.de</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">May I quote from the
                2 March 2018:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="color:black">...what we agreed to is that emojis
                are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As
                such it is out of scope for UASG.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Lars</span><span
                lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="DE">Von:
                  </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                  lang="DE">UA-discuss <<a
                    href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                  im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <<a
                    href="mailto:ajay@data.in" moz-do-not-send="true">ajay@data.in</a>><br>
                  <b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10<br>
                  <b>An: </b>universal access <<a
                    href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>><br>
                  <b>Betreff: </b>[UA-discuss] interesting to note
                  about emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"
                    lang="DE">Some Interesting things to note:<br>
                    <br>
                    I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address
                    with heart shape..</span><span lang="DE"><br>
                  </span><span
                    style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
                    Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
                    style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE">@data.in and
                  </span><span
                    style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
                    Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">♥</span><span
                    style="font-size:13.5pt" lang="DE">@data.in <br>
                  </span><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">( </span><span
                  style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                  Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">❤</span><span
                  lang="DE"> - xn--qei    and    </span><span
                  style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                  Emoji",sans-serif" lang="DE">♥</span><span
                  lang="DE"> - xn--g6h )<br>
                  <br>
                  When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile
                  devices these above hearts are shown in different red
                  shades. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  lang="DE">However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook,
                  they consider this as  Spam.  Not only spam, Gmail
                  displays the following warning. - <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red" lang="DE">This
                      message seems dangerous</span></strong><span
                    lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">The sender’s email
                    address uses abnormal characters, which might be
                    used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links,
                    downloading attachments, or replying to this
                    message.<br>
                    <br>
                    Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our
                    views around it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                    lang="DE">Dr. Ajay Data</span></strong><b><span
                    lang="DE"><br>
                  </span></b><span lang="DE">Founder & CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                </span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:white"
                  lang="DE">[XGENFOOTER]</span><span lang="DE"><br>
                  <br>
                </span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:white"
                  lang="DE">[-XGENFOOTER]</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                </span><span
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                  lang="DE">Do not Remove:<br>
                  [HID]20190411124031186[-HID]</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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