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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><i>A more restricted prohibition might give a better balance: insist that all emoji in an email name are treated as ignorable. That way, people can add them, as long as the remainder of the name contains a string of unique code points.
You would be able to have I</i><i><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">❤</span>NYC, but not if someone else has INYC.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">Asmus</span></b><span style="color:windowtext">, this is a great idea. I don’t know what role UASG might have in promoting it, but I am personally game to try.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Also, more people should use the word “churlish”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">/marksv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Asmus Freytag<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:15<br>
<b>To:</b> ua-discuss@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/11/2019 11:39 AM, Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pedantically, I think Ajay is asking about mailbox names. UASG and SSAC have historically weighed in against emojis in domain names. But I think we have neglected to indicate that we oppose them in mailbox names as well. There is no
equivalent of IDNA for mailbox names, so we could be more explicit about our opposition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Mark,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I definitely agree.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If we run into violent opposition, because many users decide to view that restriction as churlish, there's a possible fallback:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>E-mail names, unlike domain names, already aren't treated as "exact match"; for example certain punctuation is ignored.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>A more restricted prohibition might give a better balance: insist that all emoji in an email name are treated as ignorable. That way, people can add them, as long as the remainder of the name contains a string of unique code points.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>You would be able to have I<span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">❤</span>NYC, but not if someone else has INYC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This slightly more relaxed stance may be a useful fallback if we find that we cannot get traction with a full prohibition.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>A./<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>PS: this technique doesn't work as well with domain names as it would have to be implemented by registering all these variants, thus lead to combinatorial explosion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss <a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">
<ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark W. Datysgeld<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2019 07:09<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>; Lars Steffen
<a href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de"><lars.steffen@eco.de></a>; Dr Ajay Data <a href="mailto:ajay@data.in">
<ajay@data.in></a>; universal access <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"><ua-discuss@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE">While valid, the SSAC basically concluded we should not be using them:
<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffeatures.icann.org%2Fssac-advisory-use-emoji-domain-name&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C3fa3902664544098b0a908d6beb20216%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636906069091779454&sdata=5F69RLHWd9EX2mMvosxjyZ7NtSa7yj6z3r5xtkj5Va4%3D&reserved=0">
https://features.icann.org/ssac-advisory-use-emoji-domain-name</a><br>
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So it would be very hard at the moment to push for any kind of change in spam filters. There is ongoing discussion in terms of acceptable characters and such, but that seems to be going nowhere fast.<br>
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Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markwd.website&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C3fa3902664544098b0a908d6beb20216%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636906069091779454&sdata=%2F98av%2B4q3FSsknSNm1pxdLzLq%2FgT6vsTqX%2FyDFWJiy0%3D&reserved=0">www.markwd.website</a>]<br>
Representing businesses in IG together with AR-TARC and ABES</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">On April 11, 2019 8:48:48 AM GMT-03:00, Lars Steffen <<a href="mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de">lars.steffen@eco.de</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">May I quote from the 2 March 2018:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">...what we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for UASG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Lars</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:12.0pt">Von: </span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:12.0pt">UA-discuss <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>> im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <<a href="mailto:ajay@data.in">ajay@data.in</a>><br>
<b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10<br>
<b>An: </b>universal access <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff: </b>[UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt">Some Interesting things to note:<br>
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I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address with heart shape..</span><span lang="DE"><br>
</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">❤</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt">@data.in and
</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">♥</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt">@data.in <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">( </span><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">❤</span><span lang="DE"> - xn--qei and </span><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">♥</span><span lang="DE"> - xn--g6h
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When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile devices these above hearts are shown in different red shades. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE">However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail displays the following warning. - </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><strong><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">This message seems dangerous</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">The sender’s email address uses abnormal characters, which might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying to this message.<br>
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Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our views around it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span lang="DE">Founder & CEO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:white">[XGENFOOTER]</span><span lang="DE"><br>
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</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#D2DEEA">Do not Remove:<br>
[HID]20190411124031186[-HID]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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