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    <p>Hello, UA-discuss.</p>
    <p>There is a lot to support in this message from Richard Nims.
      There are also some things which I think might not be so helpful.
      I will interleave comments in Richard's message.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-07-29 04:06, richard nims
      wrote:<br>
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                    Principles of Operation</span></b></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif;color:black">For the development of
                  standards, openness and due process are
                  mandatory. Openness means that any person who has, or
                  could be reasonably expected
                  to have, a direct and material interest, and who meets
                  the requirements of
                  these procedures has a right to participate by:</span></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif;color:black">a) Attending working
                  group meetings</span></p>
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                  the working group</span></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif;color:black">c) Expressing a
                  position for chair of working group and its basis,</span><span
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    These are positive sentiments. I think there should be, at the top
    of the list, something about doing specific activities to promote
    Universal Acceptance, preferably outside the UA-Discuss and UASG
    context. We are not here to build an organisation for its own sake.
    We are here to spread Universal Acceptance. Authority should derive
    from accomplishments.<br>
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                  Roman",serif;color:black">Due process is based
                  upon equity and fair play. The standards
                  development process should strive to have both a
                  balance of interests and not
                  be dominated by any single interest category.</span></p>
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    I support these sentiments, but I also think they are pretty general
    and not very helpful to spread Universal Acceptance.<br>
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                    style="font-family:"Times New
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                    working group: </span></b><span
                  style="font-family:"Times New
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                  group must get</span><span
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                  elections done for every working group<span
                    style="color:black">. The interested
                    members of the working group must file
                    self-nomination or any member of working
                    group should nominate, ...</span></span></p>
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    I don't see why this proposal puts so much emphasis about electing
    the chair of the working group, and so little emphasis on how the
    group will work. What really matters is to spread Universal
    Acceptance in the real world. <br>
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                    style="color:black">...fundamentally that individual
                    member nominated shall not
                    be on any position in UA administrative group or any
                    other working groups at
                    the same time. Members of the working group should
                    only be allowed to cast the
                    vote and select chair of working group....</span></span></p>
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    <p>This looks like it is trying to prevent or solve a problem, but
      I'm not sure what the problem is. Why shouldn't a leader of the
      UASG also participate in a regional working group for their own
      region?  Why shouldn't someone with expertise, or active in
      multiple regions, participate in multiple regional working
      groups?  Is there a concealed message that the UA administrative
      group is a danger to be kept at a distance?  If so, I don't agree
      with that.</p>
    <p>My experience with these working groups is that it is difficult
      to find people willing to get the work done. We should welcome
      anyone who wants to put in the effort. <br>
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            <div><b><span style="font-family:"Times New
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                  Group: </span></b><span
                style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Working
                group member should be individual. Each member is
                expected to attend meetings. We
                must record attendance at meetings via teleconferencing
                and/or electronic
                means, e.g., Internet conferencing, shall count towards
                the attendance
                requirements apart from F2F meeting during ICANN or
                other events.</span>
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                    style="font-family:"Times New
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                    of Working Group: </span></b></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Set
                  goals
                  and deadlines and adhere to them</span></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Prioritize
                  work to best serve the group and its goals</span></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Get
                  the materials
                  available for community related to working of group</span></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maintain
                  lists of unresolved issues, action items, and
                  assignments.</span></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
                  working group will engage in a fact-finding effort</span>
                of the perceived problems
                raised in there space and
                what are the possible solutions, and what are the pros
                and cons relating these
                possible solutions. What activities are actually
                underway, how extensive are
                they. The Working Group can circulated surveys to gather
                facts about the
                technical and issues raised by services currently being
                provided in there space.</p>
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    <p>It seems to me that all this focusses on the operation and the
      internal activities of the working group. Nothing mentions the
      external activities of spreading Universal Acceptance in the real
      world. It seems a big oversight to me that the responsibilities of
      the working group does not include, "promote Universal
      Acceptance". It seems that before we expect members to attend
      meetings, we should expect them to do activities outside the
      meetings to spread Universal Acceptance, to contribute to
      Universal Acceptance discussion on email lists, and to have
      evidence of this activity be readily available for others to
      confirm.</p>
    <p>I have a concern that this proposal will set up a structure which
      will consume a lot of energy for its own internal operations and
      politics, and won't be very focussed on spreading Universal
      Acceptance. I think that is not the best way to direct our
      attention and energy.<br>
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    Best regards,<br>
         —Jim DeLaHunt, software engineer, Vancouver, Canada.<br>
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