<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Dear Sarmad,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">All inputs seems good to me and appreciated in working group charters.
I would only wish one feedback to be assimilated in membership area of the
document.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;line-height:19.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">"Working group member must attend atleast two (2) F2F meeting in a calendar
year during ICANN or any other event where working group hold its F2F meetings."</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;line-height:19.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Reason of this recommendation:</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"> it’s much easier to build relationships
through face-to-face meetings and take constructive decisions than it is with
virtual meetings. <u>And relationships are without a doubt and every individual
opinion will be valued seriously</u>, <u>trust and no chase of anonymously communication
the key to any kind of working group success in my opinion</u>. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;line-height:19.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">It will be appreciated
if UASG can fund only travel of these 2 F2F meetings only for working group
individuals who give their 90% presence even during virtual meetings in that calendar
year, this will lead to maximum involvement of committed members and working
group can deliver its mission. It is always better to have the hard
conversations face-to-face. So much gets lost in translation otherwise, and a
small problem can grow in a big problem simply because we didn't make the
effort to meet with someone face-to-face to talk through the issue and work out
a solution.</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,37,41);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;line-height:19.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">The real key here is
to make them productive, smart, effective meetings, not just irritating
meetings that really are a waste of time.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;line-height:19.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Best Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Harry Jacob</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:51 AM Jim DeLaHunt <<a href="mailto:list%2Buasg@jdlh.com">list+uasg@jdlh.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hello, UA-discuss.</p>
<p>There is a lot to support in this message from Richard Nims.
There are also some things which I think might not be so helpful.
I will interleave comments in Richard's message.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_2880618074999728055moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-07-29 04:06, richard nims
wrote:<br>
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<p class="gmail-m_2880618074999728055m_-1872564275926093904gmail-MsoBodyText2" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b><span>Fundamental
Principles of Operation</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span>For the development of
standards, openness and due process are
mandatory. Openness means that any person who has, or
could be reasonably expected
to have, a direct and material interest, and who meets
the requirements of
these procedures has a right to participate by:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span>a) Attending working
group meetings</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span>b) Becoming a member of
the working group</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span>c) Expressing a
position for chair of working group and its basis,</span><span> </span>
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These are positive sentiments. I think there should be, at the top
of the list, something about doing specific activities to promote
Universal Acceptance, preferably outside the UA-Discuss and UASG
context. We are not here to build an organisation for its own sake.
We are here to spread Universal Acceptance. Authority should derive
from accomplishments.<br>
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upon equity and fair play. The standards
development process should strive to have both a
balance of interests and not
be dominated by any single interest category.</span></p>
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I support these sentiments, but I also think they are pretty general
and not very helpful to spread Universal Acceptance.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span><b><span>Election of Chair of
working group: </span></b><span>The UASG administrative
group must get</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
elections done for every working group<span style="color:black">. The interested
members of the working group must file
self-nomination or any member of working
group should nominate, ...</span></span></p>
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I don't see why this proposal puts so much emphasis about electing
the chair of the working group, and so little emphasis on how the
group will work. What really matters is to spread Universal
Acceptance in the real world. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:black">...fundamentally that individual
member nominated shall not
be on any position in UA administrative group or any
other working groups at
the same time. Members of the working group should
only be allowed to cast the
vote and select chair of working group....</span></span></p>
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<p>This looks like it is trying to prevent or solve a problem, but
I'm not sure what the problem is. Why shouldn't a leader of the
UASG also participate in a regional working group for their own
region? Why shouldn't someone with expertise, or active in
multiple regions, participate in multiple regional working
groups? Is there a concealed message that the UA administrative
group is a danger to be kept at a distance? If so, I don't agree
with that.</p>
<p>My experience with these working groups is that it is difficult
to find people willing to get the work done. We should welcome
anyone who wants to put in the effort. <br>
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<div><b><span>Working
Group: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Working
group member should be individual. Each member is
expected to attend meetings. We
must record attendance at meetings via teleconferencing
and/or electronic
means, e.g., Internet conferencing, shall count towards
the attendance
requirements apart from F2F meeting during ICANN or
other events.</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><b><span>Responsibilities
of Working Group: </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Set
goals
and deadlines and adhere to them</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Prioritize
work to best serve the group and its goals</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Get
the materials
available for community related to working of group</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maintain
lists of unresolved issues, action items, and
assignments.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Times,serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
working group will engage in a fact-finding effort</span>
of the perceived problems
raised in there space and
what are the possible solutions, and what are the pros
and cons relating these
possible solutions. What activities are actually
underway, how extensive are
they. The Working Group can circulated surveys to gather
facts about the
technical and issues raised by services currently being
provided in there space.</p>
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<p>It seems to me that all this focusses on the operation and the
internal activities of the working group. Nothing mentions the
external activities of spreading Universal Acceptance in the real
world. It seems a big oversight to me that the responsibilities of
the working group does not include, "promote Universal
Acceptance". It seems that before we expect members to attend
meetings, we should expect them to do activities outside the
meetings to spread Universal Acceptance, to contribute to
Universal Acceptance discussion on email lists, and to have
evidence of this activity be readily available for others to
confirm.</p>
<p>I have a concern that this proposal will set up a structure which
will consume a lot of energy for its own internal operations and
politics, and won't be very focussed on spreading Universal
Acceptance. I think that is not the best way to direct our
attention and energy.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
—Jim DeLaHunt, software engineer, Vancouver, Canada.<br>
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