<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14/08/2019, at 6:25 AM, Mark W. Datysgeld <<a href="mailto:mark@governanceprimer.com" class="">mark@governanceprimer.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">While I agree with the focus on code, I have to insist that we need a working model to do it. If there is not a consistent process, we won't be able to advance.<br class=""><br class="">Over my time as an Ambassador, one thing that happens often is that devs become convinced that UA is good and ask how they can solve issues on their side. We can point them to the relevant RFCs, talk about the available i18n libraries, show Case Studies and so on... but that is the same as saying "you figure it out".<br class=""><br class="">We either need an A) team of paid UA coders that we can deploy to solve the problems of target clients, B) a robust bug bounty system, or C) develop a set of in-house fixes to common languages/implementations that we can point to. We have none of these.<br class=""><br class="">If we want to advance in this direction, this is what it takes.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Completely agree. We need almost total focus on this.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Jay</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">-- <br class="">Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [<a href="http://www.markwd.website" class="">www.markwd.website</a>]<br class="">In partnership with AR-TARC and the Brazilian Association of Software Companies (ABES)<br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On August 13, 2019 11:20:40 AM GMT-03:00, nitin <<a href="mailto:nitin@data.in" class="">nitin@data.in</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="auto" class="">Dear dennis</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Thank you for hitting the right nail..completely agree that we should not deviate from the primary motives and working to outreach.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class="">Regards</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class="">Nitin Walia</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class="">Director </div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class="">Sent from Xgenplus app on my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size: 100%;" dir="auto" class=""><!-- originalMessage --><div class="">-------- Original message --------</div><div class="">From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via UA-discuss" <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" class="">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>> </div><div class="">Date: 13/08/2019 18:46 (GMT+05:30) </div><div class="">To: Harish Chowdhary <<a href="mailto:intern3tgovernance@gmail.com" class="">intern3tgovernance@gmail.com</a>>, Jay Daley <<a href="mailto:jay@techobscura.com" class="">jay@techobscura.com</a>> </div><div class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" class="">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>, <a href="mailto:ua-eai@icann.org" class="">ua-eai@icann.org</a> </div><div class="">Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-EAI] [Ext] Re: UA-EAI WG charter </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>
<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">I don’t believe anyone is suggesting we need to solely focus on one audience or the other. The UASG has limited resources (time, people, funds, etc.), so the key to our success is to find our priorities and execute.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Question is, what does the UASG solve for first? usability or awareness. I think we ought to focus first on usability, that is, make software work. Influence developers and the like to expand their assumptions vis-à-vis i18n. Fix code.
Along these lines, there is an awareness component, but focused on people that work on code. As the applications ecosystem becomes UA-ready, the next phase may be a wider effort of awareness targeted to general end-users to increase usage, and hopefully adoption.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">UASG is also looking at working to outreach governments, as consumers of technology. The hope is to educate and inform these organizations about the latest developments on online identifiers, so that their systems keep up with them.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">-Dennis<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p>
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<b class="">To: </b>Jay Daley <<a href="mailto:jay@techobscura.com" class="">jay@techobscura.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org" class="">UA-discuss@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" class="">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:ua-eai@icann.org" class="">ua-eai@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ua-eai@icann.org" class="">ua-eai@icann.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-EAI] [UA-discuss] [Ext] Re: UA-EAI WG charter<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I disagree Jay. We need entire internet community along with developers to achieve the goals of this group.
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:08 PM Jay Daley <<a href="mailto:jay@techobscura.com" class="">jay@techobscura.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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The purpose of UASG should be to get non-compliant code changed and we should be using 95% of our resources to that goal. In the last couple of years we have become focused on promotion, branding, outreach, ambassadors, measurement, etc, which are all useful
but have only an indirect impact on our goal. We are in danger of 95% of our resources going on these activities and our goal being achieved very, very slowly as a result.
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I would like to see travel limited to the chair and vice-chair attending only two icann meetings a year and the rest of our resources directly targeted at getting the code changed.
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