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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/25/2019 4:22 AM, Maxim Alzoba
wrote:<br>
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Hello Mark,
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<div class="">the topic is quite complex one (from the operational
and legal perspective), </div>
<div class="">we should not invent rights not existing in the real
world (and we should not forget abut rights of the Registrants).</div>
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<div class="">Potentially some variants of the same word might be
in the hands of different rightful registrants, and who is going
to decide </div>
<div class="">which one wins? <br>
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<p>With variants you have the following issues:</p>
<p>(1) if they are imposed after the fact, you'll need to have some
policy for grandfathering</p>
<p>That's why, for the root zone, we categorically ruled out, for
example, any variants (even implied by transitivity) between ASCII
code points. And we test all proposed LGRs against delegated TLDs.</p>
<p>(2) if they are allocatable, you have issues with multiplicity.</p>
<p>A longer label may have several code points with variants, which
naively would lead to huge multiplicities. That's why, in the root
zone, we go to some lengths defining allocatable (code point)
variants so that allocatable variant labels are limited to a very
small number; usually by requiring all variants to be of the same
type (e.g. all traditional/all simplified for Chinese).<br>
</p>
<p>(3) if they are allocatable, you have issues with predictability.</p>
<p>Not all applicants want all possible allocatable variants
actually delegated. That's why, in the root zone, we've tried to
limit allocatable variants to contexts where both users and
applicants clearly understand their scope (e.g. Chinese simplified
and traditional). <br>
</p>
<p>(4) if they are blocked variants, they need to be full
equivalents, not merely similar</p>
<p>Otherwise, transitivity will kill you. Any variant of a code
point needs to also be a variant of all the other variants for
that code point (transitivity). If variants are merely similar,
you quickly get "variants" between dissimilar code points. That's
why, in the root zone, we are limiting variants to cases where
code points are accepted as fully equivalent.<br>
</p>
<p>(5) if you base variant definition on a limited sample of
languages, you'll be surprised</p>
<p>What works in a limited context may create issues if you plan on
allowing labels in other scripts or other languages in the same
zone. That's why, in the root zone, we investigated over 200
writing systems for the Latin script, for example.</p>
<p>(6) if you don't define certain allocatable variants, you'll run
into usability issues</p>
<p>Typically the case where users of different regions share a
script (and/or language) but regional conventions conflict. For
example the case in Arabic, where local keyboards may have a
look-alike character, so if you can't offer both versions of your
label, you cannot reach some communities. That's why, in the root
zone, we have allocatable variant definitions for Arabic, Chinese,
and for the case of sharp-s/ss, for example.</p>
<p>(7) if you don't have blocked variants, you can't take obvious
issues "off the table"</p>
<p>There are a surprising number of letters (or for the second
level, also digits) that have exact (intentional) look-alikes in
Unicode. (They are considered different for other reasons than
appearance, for example they belong to different scripts, have
different case pairings, etc). These cases are quite obvious
equivalences and can, and should be taken off the table, up front
and mechanically. That's why, in the root zone, we ensure that
such cases become blocked variants.</p>
<p>Now, why were we discussing this again?</p>
<p>A./<br>
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<div class="">Sincerely Yours,<br class="">
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Maxim Alzoba<br class="">
Special projects manager,<br class="">
International Relations Department,<br
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FAITID</div>
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<div class="">Current UTC offset: +3.00
(.Moscow)</div>
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<div class="">On 25 Nov 2019, at 11:05, Mark Svancarek
(CELA) via UA-discuss <<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="">
<div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Rubens,
what is your opinion regarding variants policy?
Should registrants be obliged to register all variants
at the 2<sup class="">nd</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>level to avoid
confusion?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
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225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b
class="">From:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>UA-discuss
<<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mark
W. Datysgeld<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
November 24, 2019 1:13 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>;
Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rubensk@nic.br</a>>;
ua-discuss <<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL]
Re: [UA-discuss] Ideas for engagement with
stakeholders in Germany<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I
see Rubens might have a vested interest in this one.
:D<br class="">
--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [<a
href="http://www.markwd.website/" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">www.markwd.website</a>]<br
class="">
In partnership with AR-TARC and the Brazilian
Association of Software Companies (ABES)<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On
November 24, 2019 5:19:51 AM GMT+01:00, Rubens Kuhl
<<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">rubensk@nic.br</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><br class="">
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<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">On 24 Nov 2019, at
00:22, Mark W. Datysgeld <<a
href="mailto:mark@governanceprimer.com"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">mark@governanceprimer.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Hello everyone,<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">I exchanged a few
messages with Lars earlier this year, and
would like to present below some points he
raised that should be useful both for the
IGF next week and looking towards ICANN
meeting C next year, being tailored
towards German stakeholders. In my view,
we can aim to always try gathering such
regional insights moving forward to
optimize our engagement.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Special
characters:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Eszett
(ß) and Umlaut (ü) have fallback options
by default:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Eszett
becomes "ss".<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Capital
Eszett (ẞ) has only recently been
introduced officially to the language,
meaning that anything in capital letters
used to be written using "SS" even on
the press.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Umlaut
characters (ä, ö, ü) become "ae", "oe",
"ue".<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">Long live the Umlaut!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">Rubens Kühl<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
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