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<p>I guess I was "just" missing <i>validation-api</i> on that list,
huh. I am still thinking of things like whether
hibernate-validation counts (as it use an internal RegEx, of the
exact kind we know not to work, but it could be customized to work
better I guess).<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2020 18:02, Mark Datysgeld
wrote:<br>
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<p>Thank you for the prompt answer.</p>
<p>We are wrapping up "UA-Readiness of Open-Source Code (Pilot) "
drafted more than a year ago in WG-Measurement. We took a huge
beating from the Github API, but we finally have all the
dependencies data from Maven and PIP Python.<br>
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<p>The SOW contains a table that, as far as I remember, was
proposed by you. It goes like this:</p>
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for apps to use well-known libs for UA</b></p>
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conclusion</b></p>
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steps</b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none">app do
not have any signature of a UA lib</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none">most
likely not supporting UA (because UA is difficult). it
may be possible that they develop their own code, but
most likely not.</p>
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maintainers if they are aware of UA?</p>
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have a signature of using a well-known old (for example
idna2003) UA lib</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none">most
likely not supporting UA, since the library they are
using is not supporting UA properly</p>
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maintainers to use a better lib</p>
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<p>For Python this is more clear-cut, but since Java absorbed
libidn, I am left wondering what good examples of "app do not
have any signature of a <b>UA lib</b>" could be other than
those 3 I listed.<br>
</p>
<p>Please tell me if this is clearer or if I should explain
further.<br>
</p>
<p>Best,<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2020 17:55, Marc Blanchet
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:D2BA1CC6-A67D-42E6-9BD9-3CA8170DC6DA@viagenie.ca">On 2
Dec 2020, at 15:50, Mark Datysgeld wrote: <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hello everyone, <br>
<br>
I am seeking input from the community as we start to wrap up
our investigation on open-source software in Java and Python.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
can you tell me what you are investigating? what is your goal?
what are you looking for? <br>
<br>
That would help me understand and then better answer your
questions. <br>
<br>
Marc. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">I am copying John L and Marc B, as I am
aware they might have ideas on this matter, but this is a call
to all experts. <br>
<br>
Question: <br>
<br>
When we consider libraries *directly* related to UA within the
Java context, is it correct to say that these are the most
relevant ones? <br>
<br>
*icu4j, commons-validator, ***libidn (deprecated, for older
software only) <br>
** <br>
<br>
Here we exclude considerations such as whether a popular set
of libraries like Guava can handle IDNs (which I think is
usually handled by the InternetDomainName class, which needs a
ToASCII transformation before it can process them properly.
Marc B's tests show 14 working test cases out of 18, but I
dunno what under configuration). <br>
<br>
If those are not the only very relevant libraries, what others
should be considered? <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> <br>
Best regards, <br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.markwd.website" moz-do-not-send="true">www.markwd.website</a>]
<br>
ICANN GNSO Councilor <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.markwd.website" moz-do-not-send="true">www.markwd.website</a>]
ICANN GNSO Councilor</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.markwd.website">www.markwd.website</a>]
ICANN GNSO Councilor</pre>
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