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<p>Who is being given a ballot? Any email registered on the list?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/17/2021 17:28, Mark Svancarek
(CELA) via UA-discuss wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA">Also
a good point! Voters should be active enough in the
community to be informed about the bona fides of
candidates. Otherwise they are casting an uninformed vote
based on who-knows-what basis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA">Still
– I think any materials provided to bolster a candidacy are
helpful and good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dušan Stojičević
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs"><dusan@dukes.in.rs></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 17, 2021 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Svancarek (CELA)
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"><marksv@microsoft.com></a>; 'Mike Hemp'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mikehamp1971@mail.com"><mikehamp1971@mail.com></a>; 'Charles 'chaals'
(McCathie) Nevile' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru"><chaals@yandex.ru></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021
Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">-1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If candidate is
not already known for his UA work, for me it is irrelevant
what he have to say about how he and/or his org are
advancing in UA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My two cents,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dusan <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss [<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16. фебруар 2021. 19:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Hemp <<a
href="mailto:mikehamp1971@mail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mikehamp1971@mail.com</a>>;
Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile <<a
href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru" moz-do-not-send="true">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021
Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA">+1
Mike – candidates SHOULD be able to describe how they and/or
their organizations are advancing UA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss <<a
href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Hemp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile <<a
href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru" moz-do-not-send="true">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021
Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank
you Chaals , Jim, MO and everyone .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Jim
+1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">change
when needed. dont make us learn new proceses which are
used once in two years. I ok for what has worked for us
till now. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">more
importantly, people in leadership should tell what they
have done to execute UA implementation in the there own
organisation-helped-moviated others. When they nominate
they must mention this. We need people who are UA
practitioners like people from Microsoft, Gmail,
XgenPlus, Apple, Postfix and others. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Monday,
February 08, 2021 at 11:47 AM<br>
<b>From:</b> "Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile"
<<a href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru"
moz-do-not-send="true">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021
Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank
you Mo, Jim.<br>
<br>
I have a preference for Meek STV rather than
Scottish STV, but I support<br>
all the suggestions Jim made - in particular his
"curious option" to<br>
include allowing a vote for "only 2 vice-chairs".<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
Chaals<br>
<br>
On Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:41:19 +1100, Jim DeLaHunt
<<a href="mailto:list+uasg@jdlh.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">list+uasg@jdlh.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
> Mo:<br>
> Thank you for sending this out. It's good
that we have a clearly<br>
> stated election process, and that the process
be clear before we<br>
> add the specific candidates and opinions
about which candidates to<br>
> choose.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I have some suggestions about the elections
process as stated in<br>
> the document you sent, 2021 UASG Election
Process and Timeline<br>
> 2021-02-04.pdf , section "2021 UASG Election
Process".<br>
> 1. The process does not state that how many
Chairs and how many<br>
> Vice-Chairs are to be elected. Yes, the "UASG
Structure" above<br>
> says that these numbers are "1" and "2-3"
respectively. Still,<br>
> for clarity it seems good to state what the
purpose of the<br>
> process is. I suggest adding an item before
old #1, reading<br>
> something like, "The election will elect one
Chair and [2-3<br>
> Vice-Chairs]".<br>
><br>
> 2. The process does not state what kind of
votes are cast and<br>
> what method is used to count votes. I support
using the same<br>
> methods as last year, as described in<br>
> <<a
href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuasg.tech%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F02%2FCall-for-Nominations.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800412606%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=oRNdejKflzrDv6jzD%2FbRaV%2FGH3lda3SIL7Al2l9dZ10%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Call-for-Nominations.pdf</a>>,<br>
> namely preferential ballots, counted with
Instant Runoff Voting<br>
> for the single Chair, and Scottish STV for
the 2-3 Vice-Chairs.<br>
> These methods are among the best ways to
elect single and<br>
> multiple winners for a group like UASG. I
suggest adding between<br>
> old #5 and #6, something like: "For the
single Chair position,<br>
> voters will cast preferential ballots ranking
their choices, and<br>
> the counting method will be Instant Runoff
Voting<br>
> <<a
href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opavote.com%2Fmethods%2Finstant-runoff-voting&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800412606%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=471MZlqU4kqm6oNJOwPtWVNjhlhV4TaXrNwJbChZ504%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.opavote.com/methods/instant-runoff-voting</a>>",<br>
> and "For the 2-3 Vice-Chair positions, voters
will cast<br>
> preferential ballots ranking their choices
among all candidates,<br>
> and the counting method used will be Scottish
STV<br>
> <<a
href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opavote.com%2Fmethods%2Fsingle-transferable-vote%23scottish-stv&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800422599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Lh2BvV5qOjSQluhjrYJqzKugmJ%2Fihm4cuXF5bh6xBRs%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.opavote.com/methods/single-transferable-vote#scottish-stv</a>>."<br>
><br>
> 3. The process does not define how we will
decide whether to<br>
> elect 2 or 3 Vice-Chairs. There are several
rules which we could<br>
> use. We should state what rule we will
follow. I suggest adding<br>
> it as part of the entry for the Vice-Chair
method above. Some<br>
> rules we could use:<br>
><br>
> 1. If there are 1, 2, or 3 candidates for
Vice-Chair, they will<br>
> all be elected by acclamation and they will
not be voted on.<br>
> 2. If there are more than 3 candidates for
Vice-Chair, they<br>
> shall be voted on and 3 shall be elected.<br>
><br>
> 3. If there are more than 3 candidates for
Vice-Chair, they<br>
> shall be voted on, and an option "Only 2
Vice-Chairs" shall be<br>
> added to the ballot. Voters may rank "Only 2
Vice-Chairs" the<br>
> same way as any other candidate. The top two
candidates shall<br>
> be elected. If the option "Only 2
Vice-Chairs" is among the<br>
> top three finishers, there shall only be two
Vice-Chairs,<br>
> otherwise, there shall be three Vice-Chairs,
and the<br>
> third-place candidate shall also be elected.
[Note: this<br>
> curious option means that voters who think
some candidates are<br>
> unsatisfactory, and a Vice-Chair seat should
be left empty<br>
> rather than be filled by those candidates,
may rank "Only 2<br>
> Vice-Chairs" above the unsatisfactory
candidates, and the<br>
> counting will respect their wish to the
extent possible.]<br>
><br>
> 4. I have no problem with the diversity
intent of rule # 4, but I<br>
> think it is a mistake to enforce this at the
nomination stage.<br>
> Suppose there are two candidates in one
organization, "M. Good"<br>
> and "M. Bad". Rule #4 says that M. Bad can
prevent voters from<br>
> supporting M. Good by submitting their own
self-nomination<br>
> first! Instead I suggest that we implement
the rule at the<br>
> vote-counting stage of the Vice-Chair
election. As soon as a<br>
> candidate is elected during the counting
process, we disqualify<br>
> all other candidates from the same
organization or company, and<br>
> continue (or restart) the counting process.
This lets voters,<br>
> not nominators, choose whether to support "M.
Good" or "M. Bad".<br>
> There is no need for this diversity rule in
the Chair election,<br>
> because only one Chair is elected. I suggest
a rule about<br>
> eliminating Vice-Chair candidates during
vote-counting be added,<br>
> and old rule #4 be deleted.<br>
><br>
> 5. Rule #1 does not clearly say that
sock-puppets are forbidden.<br>
> It should. By saying "the subscribers… are…
the electorate", it<br>
> implies that email addresses, not natural
people, are the<br>
> electorate. I suggest rewording it to say,
"The electorate<br>
> consists of the natural persons subscribed to
the UA-Discuss<br>
> mailing list on [the date of record for the
electorate]. Each<br>
> person may cast at most one ballot. Sock
puppets are forbidden."<br>
> 6. Rule #8 addresses sock puppets as well.
Move it to<br>
> right after<br>
> rule #1.<br>
><br>
> 7. Rule #1 (and the Election Timeline below)
are not clear about<br>
> the time at which the UASG-Discuss subscriber
list creates the<br>
> electorate. Rule #1 says "the date of
announcing the election".<br>
> But the Election Timeline puts the label
"Announcing the<br>
> starting of the elections" onto a 10-day
period. I suggest<br>
> adding a separate entry to the timeline,
labelled something like<br>
> "Date and time of record for the electorate".
Make it a specific<br>
> UTC time; dates (interpreted with time zones)
can span 48 hours.<br>
> 8. Rule #6 says the election process will be
managed by a<br>
> specialised elections service provider. Who?
Why not just say<br>
> Opavote? And it says, "the final results will
be audited and<br>
> confirmed." How? By whom?<br>
><br>
> 9. I suggest adding a sentence to Rule #6. "A
detailed report of<br>
> the vote counting steps, along with
anonymised raw ballot data,<br>
> shall be published, for transparency and for
community<br>
> auditing." Opavote provides reports and
ballot data as a normal<br>
> part of its service.<br>
><br>
> Also, a few comments about the Election
Timeline:<br>
><br>
><br>
> 1. Dates without times or time zones are
ambiguous in a global<br>
> community. I suggest saying "all dates are
UTC", or adding UTC<br>
> times to each date.<br>
><br>
> 2. The voting period should have times and
time zones added;<br>
> dates alone are too ambiguous. If the
election starts at 00:00 5<br>
> March UTC and ends at 23:59 15 March UTC,
that is 11 days, not<br>
> 10. If it starts on 5 March anywhere in the
world, and ends on<br>
> 15 March anywhere in the world, that is 12
days (00:00 5 March<br>
> UTC-13:00 to 23:59 15 March UTC+12:00). Only
if the election<br>
> period is defined as a specific time and time
zone can it be<br>
> unambiguously 10 days. The voting period in
days should match<br>
> the duration between start and end times.<br>
><br>
> 3. Suggest adding a timeline entry, "Date and
time of record for<br>
> the electorate". I would recommend it being
the same time as the<br>
> self-nomination period begins, or when the
list of candidates is<br>
> announced. There's a risk of a candidate
packing the UA-Discuss<br>
> with their supporters. The choice of date and
time of record can<br>
> encourage or discourage this.<br>
><br>
> I hope this is helpful. Can you tell I am
interested in electoral<br>
> process?<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada<br>
><br>
> On 2021-02-04 12:37, Mohamed Elbashir<br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Dear UA<br>
>> Community,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Find<br>
>> attached the UASG 2021 elections process
and timeline,<br>
>> it will be published on the UASG.tech
website.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thank<br>
>> you!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Mohamed<br>
>> (Mo) Elbashir<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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