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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>-1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If candidate is not already known for his UA work, for me it is irrelevant what he have to say about how he and/or his org are advancing in UA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My two cents,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dusan <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss<br><b>Sent:</b> 16. фебруар 2021. 19:09<br><b>To:</b> Mike Hemp <mikehamp1971@mail.com>; Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile <chaals@yandex.ru><br><b>Cc:</b> ua-discuss@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>+1 Mike – candidates SHOULD be able to describe how they and/or their organizations are advancing UA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> UA-discuss <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Hemp<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile <<a href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Thank you Chaals , Jim, MO and everyone .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Jim +1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>change when needed. dont make us learn new proceses which are used once in two years. I ok for what has worked for us till now. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>more importantly, people in leadership should tell what they have done to execute UA implementation in the there own organisation-helped-moviated others. When they nominate they must mention this. We need people who are UA practitioners like people from Microsoft, Gmail, XgenPlus, Apple, Postfix and others. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Best<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #C3D9E5 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-right:3.75pt;margin-bottom:3.75pt;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space' name=quote><div style='margin-bottom:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> Monday, February 08, 2021 at 11:47 AM<br><b>From:</b> "Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile" <<a href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=quoted-content><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Thank you Mo, Jim.<br><br>I have a preference for Meek STV rather than Scottish STV, but I support<br>all the suggestions Jim made - in particular his "curious option" to<br>include allowing a vote for "only 2 vice-chairs".<br><br>cheers<br><br>Chaals<br><br>On Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:41:19 +1100, Jim DeLaHunt <<a href="mailto:list+uasg@jdlh.com">list+uasg@jdlh.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>><br>> Mo:<br>> Thank you for sending this out. It's good that we have a clearly<br>> stated election process, and that the process be clear before we<br>> add the specific candidates and opinions about which candidates to<br>> choose.<br>><br>><br>> I have some suggestions about the elections process as stated in<br>> the document you sent, 2021 UASG Election Process and Timeline<br>> 2021-02-04.pdf , section "2021 UASG Election Process".<br>> 1. The process does not state that how many Chairs and how many<br>> Vice-Chairs are to be elected. Yes, the "UASG Structure" above<br>> says that these numbers are "1" and "2-3" respectively. Still,<br>> for clarity it seems good to state what the purpose of the<br>> process is. I suggest adding an item before old #1, reading<br>> something like, "The election will elect one Chair and [2-3<br>> Vice-Chairs]".<br>><br>> 2. The process does not state what kind of votes are cast and<br>> what method is used to count votes. I support using the same<br>> methods as last year, as described in<br>> <<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuasg.tech%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F02%2FCall-for-Nominations.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C6b541dd3ff3747fcab4708d8d27a46c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637490770024381340%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=I0XZe4RUHP2kqc%2BrWFZYQJjS5nAk6%2FA7RtVAoX08T%2FM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Call-for-Nominations.pdf</a>>,<br>> namely preferential ballots, counted with Instant Runoff Voting<br>> for the single Chair, and Scottish STV for the 2-3 Vice-Chairs.<br>> These methods are among the best ways to elect single and<br>> multiple winners for a group like UASG. I suggest adding between<br>> old #5 and #6, something like: "For the single Chair position,<br>> voters will cast preferential ballots ranking their choices, and<br>> the counting method will be Instant Runoff Voting<br>> <<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opavote.com%2Fmethods%2Finstant-runoff-voting&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C6b541dd3ff3747fcab4708d8d27a46c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637490770024381340%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=OxAm1ZDSUf6WvRShiDo91ciX0y%2BMRAu1EJVE9iY49WI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.opavote.com/methods/instant-runoff-voting</a>>",<br>> and "For the 2-3 Vice-Chair positions, voters will cast<br>> preferential ballots ranking their choices among all candidates,<br>> and the counting method used will be Scottish STV<br>> <<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opavote.com%2Fmethods%2Fsingle-transferable-vote%23scottish-stv&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C6b541dd3ff3747fcab4708d8d27a46c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637490770024391334%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ZZSpPDVR47o6r4v02ngotjsBBKPaT8Wb7U9h81naISg%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.opavote.com/methods/single-transferable-vote#scottish-stv</a>>."<br>><br>> 3. The process does not define how we will decide whether to<br>> elect 2 or 3 Vice-Chairs. There are several rules which we could<br>> use. We should state what rule we will follow. I suggest adding<br>> it as part of the entry for the Vice-Chair method above. Some<br>> rules we could use:<br>><br>> 1. If there are 1, 2, or 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they will<br>> all be elected by acclamation and they will not be voted on.<br>> 2. If there are more than 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they<br>> shall be voted on and 3 shall be elected.<br>><br>> 3. If there are more than 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they<br>> shall be voted on, and an option "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" shall be<br>> added to the ballot. Voters may rank "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" the<br>> same way as any other candidate. The top two candidates shall<br>> be elected. If the option "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" is among the<br>> top three finishers, there shall only be two Vice-Chairs,<br>> otherwise, there shall be three Vice-Chairs, and the<br>> third-place candidate shall also be elected. [Note: this<br>> curious option means that voters who think some candidates are<br>> unsatisfactory, and a Vice-Chair seat should be left empty<br>> rather than be filled by those candidates, may rank "Only 2<br>> Vice-Chairs" above the unsatisfactory candidates, and the<br>> counting will respect their wish to the extent possible.]<br>><br>> 4. I have no problem with the diversity intent of rule # 4, but I<br>> think it is a mistake to enforce this at the nomination stage.<br>> Suppose there are two candidates in one organization, "M. Good"<br>> and "M. Bad". Rule #4 says that M. Bad can prevent voters from<br>> supporting M. Good by submitting their own self-nomination<br>> first! Instead I suggest that we implement the rule at the<br>> vote-counting stage of the Vice-Chair election. As soon as a<br>> candidate is elected during the counting process, we disqualify<br>> all other candidates from the same organization or company, and<br>> continue (or restart) the counting process. This lets voters,<br>> not nominators, choose whether to support "M. Good" or "M. Bad".<br>> There is no need for this diversity rule in the Chair election,<br>> because only one Chair is elected. I suggest a rule about<br>> eliminating Vice-Chair candidates during vote-counting be added,<br>> and old rule #4 be deleted.<br>><br>> 5. Rule #1 does not clearly say that sock-puppets are forbidden.<br>> It should. By saying "the subscribers… are… the electorate", it<br>> implies that email addresses, not natural people, are the<br>> electorate. I suggest rewording it to say, "The electorate<br>> consists of the natural persons subscribed to the UA-Discuss<br>> mailing list on [the date of record for the electorate]. Each<br>> person may cast at most one ballot. Sock puppets are forbidden."<br>> 6. Rule #8 addresses sock puppets as well. Move it to<br>> right after<br>> rule #1.<br>><br>> 7. Rule #1 (and the Election Timeline below) are not clear about<br>> the time at which the UASG-Discuss subscriber list creates the<br>> electorate. Rule #1 says "the date of announcing the election".<br>> But the Election Timeline puts the label "Announcing the<br>> starting of the elections" onto a 10-day period. I suggest<br>> adding a separate entry to the timeline, labelled something like<br>> "Date and time of record for the electorate". Make it a specific<br>> UTC time; dates (interpreted with time zones) can span 48 hours.<br>> 8. Rule #6 says the election process will be managed by a<br>> specialised elections service provider. Who? Why not just say<br>> Opavote? And it says, "the final results will be audited and<br>> confirmed." How? By whom?<br>><br>> 9. I suggest adding a sentence to Rule #6. "A detailed report of<br>> the vote counting steps, along with anonymised raw ballot data,<br>> shall be published, for transparency and for community<br>> auditing." Opavote provides reports and ballot data as a normal<br>> part of its service.<br>><br>> Also, a few comments about the Election Timeline:<br>><br>><br>> 1. Dates without times or time zones are ambiguous in a global<br>> community. I suggest saying "all dates are UTC", or adding UTC<br>> times to each date.<br>><br>> 2. The voting period should have times and time zones added;<br>> dates alone are too ambiguous. If the election starts at 00:00 5<br>> March UTC and ends at 23:59 15 March UTC, that is 11 days, not<br>> 10. If it starts on 5 March anywhere in the world, and ends on<br>> 15 March anywhere in the world, that is 12 days (00:00 5 March<br>> UTC-13:00 to 23:59 15 March UTC+12:00). Only if the election<br>> period is defined as a specific time and time zone can it be<br>> unambiguously 10 days. The voting period in days should match<br>> the duration between start and end times.<br>><br>> 3. Suggest adding a timeline entry, "Date and time of record for<br>> the electorate". I would recommend it being the same time as the<br>> self-nomination period begins, or when the list of candidates is<br>> announced. There's a risk of a candidate packing the UA-Discuss<br>> with their supporters. The choice of date and time of record can<br>> encourage or discourage this.<br>><br>> I hope this is helpful. Can you tell I am interested in electoral<br>> process?<br>><br>> Best regards,<br>><br>> —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada<br>><br>> On 2021-02-04 12:37, Mohamed Elbashir<br>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>>><br>>> Dear UA<br>>> Community,<br>>><br>>><br>>> Find<br>>> attached the UASG 2021 elections process and timeline,<br>>> it will be published on the UASG.tech website.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Thank<br>>> you!<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Best<br>>> Regards,<br>>><br>>><br>>> Mohamed<br>>> (Mo) Elbashir<br>>><br>>><br>>> Universal<br>>> Acceptance (UA) Program Manager<br>>><br>>><br>>> The<br>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<br>>> (ICANN)<br>>> One World, One<br>>> Internet<br>>><br>>><br>>> [<a href="id:image001.png@01D356F4.3F3911B0">id:image001.png@01D356F4.3F3911B0</a>]<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> UA-discuss mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org">UA-discuss@icann.org</a><br>>> <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fua-discuss&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C6b541dd3ff3747fcab4708d8d27a46c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637490770024391334%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MiTh3%2BmS%2Bjrj2iH430gWF0iVu1a%2Fhprqp2c8l8JnnYw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discuss</a><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your<br>>> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this >>mailing list<br>>> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy<br>>> (<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fprivacy%2Fpolicy&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C6b541dd3ff3747fcab4708d8d27a46c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637490770024401325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bXtqKt8WaUvewxrwiC0%2FRMVkbN%2Bwojf3%2FuSGpE7UW9o%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service<br>>> >>(<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fprivacy%2Ftos&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C6b541dd3ff3747fcab4708d8d27a46c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637490770024401325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7INSJPkPN1yoXCzvY7aRHwngQUfmqHTHkMTqrKq3NLI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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