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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A">Dear Mark, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A">The previous UASG elections processes indicate the following references regarding the voters:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0E101A;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><i>“Electors will come from subscribers to the UA-Discuss mailing list”</i><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0E101A;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><i>“Voting papers will be distributed electronically to the members of the UA-Discuss list ……”<br>
</i><a href="https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/07-Election-Proposed-Process-And-Timeline.pdf" target="_blank"><i><span style="color:#0E101A">https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/07-Election-Proposed-Process-And-Timeline.pdf</span></i></a><i>
</i><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A">The UASG 2021 election process as well indicate the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A"> <i>“The eligible voters will be the subscribers of the UA-Discuss mailing list on the date of announcing the election, any new subscribers joining after the election announcement date will not participate in
the voting process.”</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0E101A">Mohamed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mark Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 4:34 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <marksv@microsoft.com>, Dušan Stojičević <dusan@dukes.in.rs>, 'Mike Hemp' <mikehamp1971@mail.com>, "'Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile'" <chaals@yandex.ru><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"ua-discuss@icann.org" <ua-discuss@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p>Who is being given a ballot? Any email registered on the list?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/17/2021 17:28, Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA">Also a good point! Voters should be active enough in the community to be informed about the bona fides of candidates. Otherwise they are casting an uninformed vote based on who-knows-what basis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA">Still – I think any materials provided to bolster a candidacy are helpful and good.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dušan Stojičević <a href="mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs">
<dusan@dukes.in.rs></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 17, 2021 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Svancarek (CELA) <a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"><marksv@microsoft.com></a>; 'Mike Hemp'
<a href="mailto:mikehamp1971@mail.com"><mikehamp1971@mail.com></a>; 'Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile'
<a href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru"><chaals@yandex.ru></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">-1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If candidate is not already known for his UA work, for me it is irrelevant what he have to say about how he and/or his org are advancing in UA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My two cents,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dusan </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss [<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16. фебруар 2021. 19:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Hemp <<a href="mailto:mikehamp1971@mail.com">mikehamp1971@mail.com</a>>; Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile <<a href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA">+1 Mike – candidates SHOULD be able to describe how they and/or their organizations are advancing UA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> UA-discuss <<a href="mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Hemp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile <<a href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank you Chaals , Jim, MO and everyone .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Jim +1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">change when needed. dont make us learn new proceses which are used once in two years. I ok for what has worked for us till now. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">more importantly, people in leadership should tell what they have done to execute UA implementation in the there own organisation-helped-moviated others. When they nominate
they must mention this. We need people who are UA practitioners like people from Microsoft, Gmail, XgenPlus, Apple, Postfix and others. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Monday, February 08, 2021 at 11:47 AM<br>
<b>From:</b> "Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile" <<a href="mailto:chaals@yandex.ru">chaals@yandex.ru</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org">ua-discuss@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank you Mo, Jim.<br>
<br>
I have a preference for Meek STV rather than Scottish STV, but I support<br>
all the suggestions Jim made - in particular his "curious option" to<br>
include allowing a vote for "only 2 vice-chairs".<br>
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cheers<br>
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Chaals<br>
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On Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:41:19 +1100, Jim DeLaHunt <<a href="mailto:list+uasg@jdlh.com">list+uasg@jdlh.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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><br>
> Mo:<br>
> Thank you for sending this out. It's good that we have a clearly<br>
> stated election process, and that the process be clear before we<br>
> add the specific candidates and opinions about which candidates to<br>
> choose.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I have some suggestions about the elections process as stated in<br>
> the document you sent, 2021 UASG Election Process and Timeline<br>
> 2021-02-04.pdf , section "2021 UASG Election Process".<br>
> 1. The process does not state that how many Chairs and how many<br>
> Vice-Chairs are to be elected. Yes, the "UASG Structure" above<br>
> says that these numbers are "1" and "2-3" respectively. Still,<br>
> for clarity it seems good to state what the purpose of the<br>
> process is. I suggest adding an item before old #1, reading<br>
> something like, "The election will elect one Chair and [2-3<br>
> Vice-Chairs]".<br>
><br>
> 2. The process does not state what kind of votes are cast and<br>
> what method is used to count votes. I support using the same<br>
> methods as last year, as described in<br>
> <<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuasg.tech%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F02%2FCall-for-Nominations.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800412606%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=oRNdejKflzrDv6jzD%2FbRaV%2FGH3lda3SIL7Al2l9dZ10%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Call-for-Nominations.pdf</a>>,<br>
> namely preferential ballots, counted with Instant Runoff Voting<br>
> for the single Chair, and Scottish STV for the 2-3 Vice-Chairs.<br>
> These methods are among the best ways to elect single and<br>
> multiple winners for a group like UASG. I suggest adding between<br>
> old #5 and #6, something like: "For the single Chair position,<br>
> voters will cast preferential ballots ranking their choices, and<br>
> the counting method will be Instant Runoff Voting<br>
> <<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opavote.com%2Fmethods%2Finstant-runoff-voting&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800412606%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=471MZlqU4kqm6oNJOwPtWVNjhlhV4TaXrNwJbChZ504%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.opavote.com/methods/instant-runoff-voting</a>>",<br>
> and "For the 2-3 Vice-Chair positions, voters will cast<br>
> preferential ballots ranking their choices among all candidates,<br>
> and the counting method used will be Scottish STV<br>
> <<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opavote.com%2Fmethods%2Fsingle-transferable-vote%23scottish-stv&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800422599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Lh2BvV5qOjSQluhjrYJqzKugmJ%2Fihm4cuXF5bh6xBRs%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.opavote.com/methods/single-transferable-vote#scottish-stv</a>>."<br>
><br>
> 3. The process does not define how we will decide whether to<br>
> elect 2 or 3 Vice-Chairs. There are several rules which we could<br>
> use. We should state what rule we will follow. I suggest adding<br>
> it as part of the entry for the Vice-Chair method above. Some<br>
> rules we could use:<br>
><br>
> 1. If there are 1, 2, or 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they will<br>
> all be elected by acclamation and they will not be voted on.<br>
> 2. If there are more than 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they<br>
> shall be voted on and 3 shall be elected.<br>
><br>
> 3. If there are more than 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they<br>
> shall be voted on, and an option "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" shall be<br>
> added to the ballot. Voters may rank "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" the<br>
> same way as any other candidate. The top two candidates shall<br>
> be elected. If the option "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" is among the<br>
> top three finishers, there shall only be two Vice-Chairs,<br>
> otherwise, there shall be three Vice-Chairs, and the<br>
> third-place candidate shall also be elected. [Note: this<br>
> curious option means that voters who think some candidates are<br>
> unsatisfactory, and a Vice-Chair seat should be left empty<br>
> rather than be filled by those candidates, may rank "Only 2<br>
> Vice-Chairs" above the unsatisfactory candidates, and the<br>
> counting will respect their wish to the extent possible.]<br>
><br>
> 4. I have no problem with the diversity intent of rule # 4, but I<br>
> think it is a mistake to enforce this at the nomination stage.<br>
> Suppose there are two candidates in one organization, "M. Good"<br>
> and "M. Bad". Rule #4 says that M. Bad can prevent voters from<br>
> supporting M. Good by submitting their own self-nomination<br>
> first! Instead I suggest that we implement the rule at the<br>
> vote-counting stage of the Vice-Chair election. As soon as a<br>
> candidate is elected during the counting process, we disqualify<br>
> all other candidates from the same organization or company, and<br>
> continue (or restart) the counting process. This lets voters,<br>
> not nominators, choose whether to support "M. Good" or "M. Bad".<br>
> There is no need for this diversity rule in the Chair election,<br>
> because only one Chair is elected. I suggest a rule about<br>
> eliminating Vice-Chair candidates during vote-counting be added,<br>
> and old rule #4 be deleted.<br>
><br>
> 5. Rule #1 does not clearly say that sock-puppets are forbidden.<br>
> It should. By saying "the subscribers… are… the electorate", it<br>
> implies that email addresses, not natural people, are the<br>
> electorate. I suggest rewording it to say, "The electorate<br>
> consists of the natural persons subscribed to the UA-Discuss<br>
> mailing list on [the date of record for the electorate]. Each<br>
> person may cast at most one ballot. Sock puppets are forbidden."<br>
> 6. Rule #8 addresses sock puppets as well. Move it to<br>
> right after<br>
> rule #1.<br>
><br>
> 7. Rule #1 (and the Election Timeline below) are not clear about<br>
> the time at which the UASG-Discuss subscriber list creates the<br>
> electorate. Rule #1 says "the date of announcing the election".<br>
> But the Election Timeline puts the label "Announcing the<br>
> starting of the elections" onto a 10-day period. I suggest<br>
> adding a separate entry to the timeline, labelled something like<br>
> "Date and time of record for the electorate". Make it a specific<br>
> UTC time; dates (interpreted with time zones) can span 48 hours.<br>
> 8. Rule #6 says the election process will be managed by a<br>
> specialised elections service provider. Who? Why not just say<br>
> Opavote? And it says, "the final results will be audited and<br>
> confirmed." How? By whom?<br>
><br>
> 9. I suggest adding a sentence to Rule #6. "A detailed report of<br>
> the vote counting steps, along with anonymised raw ballot data,<br>
> shall be published, for transparency and for community<br>
> auditing." Opavote provides reports and ballot data as a normal<br>
> part of its service.<br>
><br>
> Also, a few comments about the Election Timeline:<br>
><br>
><br>
> 1. Dates without times or time zones are ambiguous in a global<br>
> community. I suggest saying "all dates are UTC", or adding UTC<br>
> times to each date.<br>
><br>
> 2. The voting period should have times and time zones added;<br>
> dates alone are too ambiguous. If the election starts at 00:00 5<br>
> March UTC and ends at 23:59 15 March UTC, that is 11 days, not<br>
> 10. If it starts on 5 March anywhere in the world, and ends on<br>
> 15 March anywhere in the world, that is 12 days (00:00 5 March<br>
> UTC-13:00 to 23:59 15 March UTC+12:00). Only if the election<br>
> period is defined as a specific time and time zone can it be<br>
> unambiguously 10 days. The voting period in days should match<br>
> the duration between start and end times.<br>
><br>
> 3. Suggest adding a timeline entry, "Date and time of record for<br>
> the electorate". I would recommend it being the same time as the<br>
> self-nomination period begins, or when the list of candidates is<br>
> announced. There's a risk of a candidate packing the UA-Discuss<br>
> with their supporters. The choice of date and time of record can<br>
> encourage or discourage this.<br>
><br>
> I hope this is helpful. Can you tell I am interested in electoral<br>
> process?<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada<br>
><br>
> On 2021-02-04 12:37, Mohamed Elbashir<br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
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>> Find<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thank<br>
>> you!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Mohamed<br>
>> (Mo) Elbashir<br>
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