[UA-EAI] [Ext] RE: arabic1.arabic2 at arabic3.arabic4

Wed Apr 5 14:49:45 UTC 2017

For a large company, that might be problematic once EAIs are fully supported. Telling someone at Microsoft that they cannot have their email name in their preferred writing system could be seen as extremely disrespectful. Yet we are unlikely to want to have Microsoft (a trademark) localized into other writing systems and enforce matching of the domain name to the user's email name writing system.

It's also interesting (and important) to understand what restrictions are already enforced or implied on the display name. As I wrote the above paragraph, I realized that everyone who has a name using the Latin script with a character not in the English alphabet tends to use the "right" character in their email display name (so Martin's ü). But I've never seen any character outside of CP1252 (with the exception of one group alias with Emoji).

-Stuart

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To: Raed Al-Fayez <rfayez at citc.gov.sa>; Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org>
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Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] [Ext] RE: arabic1.arabic2 at arabic3.arabic4

Hello Raed,

What you do is a really very good policy, and I would recommend it to anybody concerned. It might also be a good idea if ICANN recommends it.

Unfortunately, it is not something that is (or can be) limited on a protocol level. Anybody can get an ASCII domain name and set up a mail server where they accept mail for Arabic addresses, or the other way round.

Regards,   Martin.

On 2017/04/05 15:31, Raed Al-Fayez wrote:
> We only allow using one script (Arabic) for the email address (for both local and domain part) so no mixing between Arabic and ASCII letters, because things might get difficult to differentiate specially in the RTL/LTR contexts. Also, it will be difficult or a basic Arabic user to switch the keyboard layout when composing an email address.
>
> As a result we will not allow this email to be registered and used: 
> رسيل.السعودية@don.hollander
>
> You can have only the following emails:
> دون.هولندر@رسيل.السعودية
> don.hollander at raseel.sa
>
> We believe this should be done at both the domain level (IDNA) and the email level (both local and server parts).
>
> Raed
>
> ________________________________
> From: Don Hollander [don.hollander at icann.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 02:44 AM
> To: Raed Al-Fayez
> Cc: ua-eai at icann.org; Andrew Sullivan
> Subject: Re: [Ext] RE: arabic1.arabic2 at arabic3.arabic4
>
> THanks Raed.
>
> When entering an email address, how would you treat:
>
> arabic.arabic at ascii.ascii<mailto:arabic.arabic at ascii.ascii>
>
> Would ascii HAVE to be the domain name or COULD it be the mailbox name?
>
>
> Could I have رسيل.السعودية@don.hollander
>
>
>
> On 5/04/2017, at 10:09 AM, Raed Al-Fayez <rfayez at citc.gov.sa<mailto:rfayez at citc.gov.sa>> wrote:
>
> Dear Don and All,
>
> Thanks for raising up this important issue.
>
> Similar to an ASCII email address, an Arabic email address consists of a local part and a domain name separated by "@" sign, in the following format (read RTL):
> first<mailto:tld.domain at last.first>
> رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية
>
> Here is a list of (8) examples that illustrate how email addresses (ASCII or Arabic) are displayed in English or Arabic text with RTL or LTR display modes (assuming my ascii email is sa<mailto:raed.alfayez at raseel.sa>):
> Case
>
> Example
>
> 1.       Arabic text that contains my Arabic email in RTL display mode (right alignment)
>
> هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني عربي 
> رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعوديةويظهر بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من 
> اليمين إلى اليسار
>
>
> 2.       Arabic text that contains my Arabic email in LTR display (left alignment)
>
> هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني عربي 
> رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعوديةويظهر أيضا بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من 
> اليسار إلى اليمين
>
>
> 3.       Arabic text that contains my ASCII email in RTL display mode (right alignment)
>
> هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني لاتيني 
> sa<mailto:raed.alfayez at raseel.sa>ويظهر بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض 
> من اليمين إلى اليسار
>
> 4.       Arabic text that contains my ASCII email in LTR display (left alignment)
>
>  هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني لاتيني 
> sa<mailto:raed.alfayez at raseel.sa> ويظهر بشكل متداخل عندما يكون اتجاه 
> العرض من اليسار إلى اليمين
>
> 5.       English text that contains my Arabic email in RTL display (right alignment)
>
> This is English text with an Arabic email address 
> رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية that appears mixed when displayed from 
> right-to-left
>
>
> 6.       English text that contains my Arabic email in LTR display (left alignment)
>
> This is an English text with an Arabic email address 
> رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية that appears  normal when displayed from 
> left to right
>
>
> 7.       English text that contains my ASCII email in RTL display (right alignment)
>
> This is an English text with an ASCII email address 
> sa<mailto:raed.alfayez at raseel.sa> that appears also normal when 
> displayed from right to left
>
> 8.       English text that contains my ASCII email in LTR display (left alignment)
>
> This is an English text with an ASCII email address 
> sa<mailto:raed.alfayez at raseel.sa> that appears also normal when 
> displayed from left to right
>
>
> Therefore, I expect that my Arabic email address (رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية) maintains its appearance regardless of the text language or direction of the display. Otherwise, users (readers) will get confuse.
>
> Note: I am attaching a pdf version of my original message in case it was miss-displayed by any email client.
>
> Raed
> ________________________________
> From: Don Hollander 
> [don.hollander at icann.org<mailto:don.hollander at icann.org>]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 12:10 AM
> To: ua-eai at icann.org<mailto:ua-eai at icann.org>
> Cc: Raed Al-Fayez; Andrew Sullivan
> Subject: arabic1.arabic2 at arabic3.arabic4
>
> Dear all:
>
> In the above example, which is the mailbox name and which is the domain name?
>
> Andrew Sullivan tells me it’s not addressed by the protocol because it’s an implementation issue.
>
> Raed:  How does Raseel handle this?
>
> Don
> <Arabic_Emails_Display.pdf>
>
> Don Hollander
> Universal Acceptance Steering Group
> Skype: don_hollander
>
>
>
>
>
>
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