[UA-EAI] [Ext] EAI Working group Archives

[John R. Levine]

On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, Mark Svancarek wrote:
> If the fonts aren't installed, you may see boxes.  That's system-specific and user-specific and app-specific.   I agree with you that it's pretty weak circa 2017.  You may be right that boxes have been completely eliminated at this point, but I am not sure sure.

At some point, you just lose.  If I send you Arabic text and you don't 
have an Arabic font, unless you plan to do something heroic like send it 
to a faraway rendering service that returns a png image, what are you 
going to do?

> While true that local parts aren't U-LABELS, and that punycode isn't 
> defined for use outside of U-LABELS, some email services do resort to 
> using ACE-style conversion in the local part as a downgrading technique 
> - I've received them.

That's on the sending end.  On the receiving end I don't see any point in 
inventing faux punycode just for a differently ugly display.

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>> I suspect that a typical non-user of Arabic would find Arabic script more desirable than boxes or punycode.  That's something usability folks can test.  Personally, if I were expecting an email from an Arabic-scripting colleague, it would make a big difference to me.
>
> In my (mostly non-Microsoft) experience, any system that handles Unicode will show Arabic as Arabic.  What it won't do is to handle messy cases like combined roman and Arabic, nor will it have a usable input method.
> But it shouldn't show boxes.
>
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