[UA-EAI] Re : Re: [Ext] EAI Working group Archives

Fri Nov 10 04:50:08 UTC 2017

I got your Barry.. genuine senders are always welcomed. 

On 10 November 2017 08:09:41 GMT+05:30, Barry Leiba <barryleiba at computer.org> wrote:
>And Ajay isn’t going to see my message because he uses a c/r system.. 
>No, I
>don’t tolerate those.
>
>On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 10:35 AM Barry Leiba <barryleiba at computer.org>
>wrote:
>
>> I’ll shortcut John’s response by just saying two things:
>>
>> 1. There is a reason the eai working group decided that a downgrade
>> standard was not going to work *in general* and abandoned it.  It
>would
>> take a truly innovative solution that makes us all slap our heads and
>say,
>> “What a GREAT idea!  I wish we had thought of it,” to make us try
>that
>> again.
>>
>> But, happily,...
>>
>> 2. Ajay says, “Fortunately, if we can addresses 5-7 email products,
>we
>> are done by more than 80% of the world, rest everyone can follow,”
>and
>> that is the key.  We are far better served by getting EAI standards
>> deployed than by trying to patch together a downgrade kludge that
>works
>> enough of the time to be useful.  Especially so with the observation
>that
>> if we can get just a handful of systems to support it, we’re most of
>the
>> way there.
>>
>> To that end, I can start working with M3AAWG to try to get Google,
>Yahoo,
>> AOL, and Microsoft to move on it, in addition to the smaller M3AAWG
>> players.  The next M3AAWG meeting is in Feb in SF, and we can start
>prep
>> work now by scheduling a session about EAI and UA there.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 2:44 AM Dr Ajay Data <ajay at data.in> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow !!. looks like i missed some action in between , however I am
>>> refraining myself to complicate it further.
>>>
>>> I am inclined to share a video link of Advance Downgrading
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSIb0FFmuS8>, which explaints the
>>> progress I have demonsterated during ICANN60 ,  proposed to be
>followed by
>>> all EAI providers and as of now working very well for us. Zero
>problem case
>>> / break in communication.
>>>
>>> I think, we all should start documenting
>>> <http://magicboard.in/p/DowngradingIssues>the possible PROBLEMATIC
>>> Scenarios / Cases and  Lets try to solve them by defining the
>protocol /
>>> standard. This has to be solved. We can not let it be like this.
>>> Fortunately, if we can addresses 5-7 email products, we are done by
>more
>>> than 80% of the world, rest everyone can follow.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes.
>>>
>>> *Dr. Ajay DATA* * | Founder & CEO *
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Mark Svancarek via UA-EAI <ua-eai at icann.org>  MailId :
>[75379724]
>>> *To:* Barry Leiba <barryleiba at computer.org>
>>> *Cc:* "ua-eai at icann.org" <ua-eai at icann.org>,John C Klensin <
>>> klensin at jck.com>,"John R. Levine" <johnl at iecc.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [UA-EAI] [Ext] EAI Working group Archives
>>> *Date:* 09 Nov 2017 04:28:13 AM
>>>
>>> Thanks for clarifying. I agree with those examples.
>>>
>>> /marksv
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: barryleiba at gmail.com [mailto:barryleiba at gmail.com] On Behalf
>Of
>>> Barry Leiba
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 2:47 PM
>>> To: Mark Svancarek <marksv at microsoft.com>
>>> Cc: John C Klensin <klensin at jck.com>; John R. Levine
><johnl at iecc.com>;
>>> Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org>; Joseph Yee
><jyee at afilias.info>;
>>> HEALTH Yao <yaojk at cnnic.cn>; ua-eai at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Ext] EAI Working group Archives
>>>
>>> >  Just clarifying before I agree 😊, what is an example of the
>second
>>> case where it`s an unreasonable expectation?
>>>
>>> Things related to the many, many weird cases. We`re not going to fix
>all
>>> issues with confusibles, we`ll always have bidi issues and various
>other
>>> troubles that come from mixing scripts, there are many problems that
>come
>>> from the fact that it`s often not sufficient to know the script and
>not the
>>> language (ö vs oe in German and Swedish, for example, or where to
>sort ö in
>>> German vs in Swedish; difficulties caused by the two different
>Turkish "i"
>>> characters; and so on), and a bunch of other things like that which
>mostly
>>> amount to only occasional and mostly fairly minor problems.
>>>
>>> "Geez, that text looks silly!", is a minor problem. "It won`t take
>my
>>> password!", is a more serious problem, but there are (unpleasant)
>>> workarounds. "It tells me that my domain name / username / email
>address is
>>> invalid!", blocks you completely.
>>>
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>>
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