<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dennis,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the response.</div><div><br></div><div>I do though not know what I should do with my comments.</div><div><br></div><div>They are not part of the public comment period, so no one know about them part from people on the VIP list.</div><div><br></div><div>I have no idea what the differences are between the two versions of the documents.</div><div><br></div><div>I have no idea in the form of feedback on what you felt about my comments. Maybe you for example ignored some because you felt I was completely wrong, some because you did not understand them. I do not know.</div><div><br></div><div>Speaking into /dev/null is not very fun.</div><div><br></div><div>Specifically for a very long document like this.</div><div><br></div><div>And no, I do not have time to go through and reverse engineer your thinking of my comments based on the (unknown) differences between the two documents. I simply do not have time.</div><div><br></div><div>So, what should I do? Send in the version of the document published on Dec 3 and my comments into the public comment period, and explain what happened, and that I do not have time to look at the comments compared with the version now being published?</div><div><br></div><div>Or do you have some more constructive proposal?</div><div><br></div><div> Patrik</div><div><br><div><div>On 6 jan 2012, at 11:05, Dennis Jennings wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Patrik,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your comments about the VIP list.<br>
<br>
The VIP list was established as a mechanism for people to be kept
informed about the VIP project and to discuss the project. Neither
the list nor the discussions on the list were ever intended to be
part of the process of the development of either the Case Study
Reports (that was for the Case Study Teams, supported by the ICANN
VIP Team) or part of the process of the the development of the
Integrated Issues Report (that was for the ICANN VIP team, supported
by the Coordination Team drawn from the membership of the Case Study
Teams).<br>
<br>
Naturally, the ICANN VIP team kept an eye on the VIP list
discussion, and attempted to incorporate as many of the comments
that were made on the list as was possible in the very short period
of time available. I think that those discussions were helpful and
that many of the issues raised were considered and incorporated in
the Report - but it was never intended that the participants on the
VIP list would have any formal role in determining the release of
the final draft report for public comment.<br>
<br>
The time and place for comments on the Case Study Reports was during
the relevant public comment period - and we thank everyone who
commented. The time for comments on the Integrated Issues Report is
now during this current public comment period - and we look forward
to lots of detailed comment.<br>
<br>
I regret that there seems to have been some misunderstanding about
the role of the VIP list. This misunderstanding may have been added
to when an earlier draft of the Integrated Issues report was
circulated to the VIP list for comment. I apologise if that is the
case. However, I sincerely hope that all comments on important
issues that people feel were aired on the VIP list, but that have
not, in their view, been appropriately incorporated into the
Integrated Issues Report, will now be submitted as part of the
public comment period. If people find it useful to continue
discussions on the VIP list, then the VIP Team will continue to
monitor the discussions on the list, and will take the comments into
account when updating the final report.<br>
<br>
I know that many people, including yourself, feel strongly about
many of the IDN Variant issues, and I very much appreciate your
continuing support for the VIP Project.<br>
<br>
Many thanks<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
On 05/01/2012 07:00, Patrik Fältström wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 5 jan 2012, at 00:16, Naela Sarras wrote:
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<pre wrap="">We have incorporated as many of your comments as possible...
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<pre wrap="">That is not good enough.
I have been told the *discussion* about the vip project was to be held here, and I do not see any such discussion.
Having people send comments into /dev/null where absolutely no discussion is held is not a working process.
And having a document be for open comments _before_ it is discussed on the list where it was supposed to be discussed is a seriously broken process.
The comment period is to start _after_ we on this list agree to the document be ready for such actions.
Patrik
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