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Patrick,<br>
<br>
I understand your frustration.<br>
<br>
May I suggest that you send your comments on the version of the
document that you studied to the public comment forum, with an
introductory note saying that your comments are based on an earlier
version of the draft and that regrettably you do not have time to
review the final draft document.<br>
<br>
That would be very helpful.<br>
<br>
Many thanks<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
On 06/01/2012 10:33, Patrik Fältström wrote:
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type="cite">Dennis,
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<div>Thanks for the response.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I do though not know what I should do with my comments.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>They are not part of the public comment period, so no one
know about them part from people on the VIP list.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I have no idea what the differences are between the two
versions of the documents.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have no idea in the form of feedback on what you felt about
my comments. Maybe you for example ignored some because you felt
I was completely wrong, some because you did not understand
them. I do not know.</div>
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</div>
<div>Speaking into /dev/null is not very fun.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Specifically for a very long document like this.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And no, I do not have time to go through and reverse engineer
your thinking of my comments based on the (unknown) differences
between the two documents. I simply do not have time.</div>
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</div>
<div>So, what should I do? Send in the version of the document
published on Dec 3 and my comments into the public comment
period, and explain what happened, and that I do not have time
to look at the comments compared with the version now being
published?</div>
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</div>
<div>Or do you have some more constructive proposal?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Patrik</div>
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<div>On 6 jan 2012, at 11:05, Dennis Jennings wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Patrik,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your comments about the VIP list.<br>
<br>
The VIP list was established as a mechanism for people to
be kept informed about the VIP project and to discuss the
project. Neither the list nor the discussions on the list
were ever intended to be part of the process of the
development of either the Case Study Reports (that was for
the Case Study Teams, supported by the ICANN VIP Team) or
part of the process of the the development of the
Integrated Issues Report (that was for the ICANN VIP team,
supported by the Coordination Team drawn from the
membership of the Case Study Teams).<br>
<br>
Naturally, the ICANN VIP team kept an eye on the VIP list
discussion, and attempted to incorporate as many of the
comments that were made on the list as was possible in the
very short period of time available. I think that those
discussions were helpful and that many of the issues
raised were considered and incorporated in the Report -
but it was never intended that the participants on the VIP
list would have any formal role in determining the release
of the final draft report for public comment.<br>
<br>
The time and place for comments on the Case Study Reports
was during the relevant public comment period - and we
thank everyone who commented. The time for comments on
the Integrated Issues Report is now during this current
public comment period - and we look forward to lots of
detailed comment.<br>
<br>
I regret that there seems to have been some
misunderstanding about the role of the VIP list. This
misunderstanding may have been added to when an earlier
draft of the Integrated Issues report was circulated to
the VIP list for comment. I apologise if that is the
case. However, I sincerely hope that all comments on
important issues that people feel were aired on the VIP
list, but that have not, in their view, been appropriately
incorporated into the Integrated Issues Report, will now
be submitted as part of the public comment period. If
people find it useful to continue discussions on the VIP
list, then the VIP Team will continue to monitor the
discussions on the list, and will take the comments into
account when updating the final report.<br>
<br>
I know that many people, including yourself, feel strongly
about many of the IDN Variant issues, and I very much
appreciate your continuing support for the VIP Project.<br>
<br>
Many thanks<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
On 05/01/2012 07:00, Patrik Fältström wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 5 jan 2012, at 00:16, Naela Sarras wrote:
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<pre wrap="">We have incorporated as many of your comments as possible...
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<pre wrap="">That is not good enough.
I have been told the *discussion* about the vip project was to be held here, and I do not see any such discussion.
Having people send comments into /dev/null where absolutely no discussion is held is not a working process.
And having a document be for open comments _before_ it is discussed on the list where it was supposed to be discussed is a seriously broken process.
The comment period is to start _after_ we on this list agree to the document be ready for such actions.
Patrik
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