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Harald,<br>
<br>
Great idea - let me see if this can be done.<br>
<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
On 06/01/2012 12:38, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
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Dennis,<br>
<br>
one specific action that should be possible to do as a courtesy to
the people on the VIP list:<br>
Circulate the Word version of the final report.<br>
<br>
Ideally, this would be a redline from the Dec 6 version (the
product of diffing the previous version with the current version,
not a changelog). But a Word version would allow others to do the
diff step.<br>
<br>
Since none outside of the VIP list have seen the Dec 6 version, it
is only the VIP list that would be able to use such a version.<br>
<br>
Harald<br>
<br>
On 01/06/2012 11:51 AM, Dennis Jennings wrote:
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Patrick,<br>
<br>
I understand your frustration.<br>
<br>
May I suggest that you send your comments on the version of the
document that you studied to the public comment forum, with an
introductory note saying that your comments are based on an
earlier version of the draft and that regrettably you do not
have time to review the final draft document.<br>
<br>
That would be very helpful.<br>
<br>
Many thanks<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
On 06/01/2012 10:33, Patrik Fältström wrote:
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type="cite">Dennis,
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<div>Thanks for the response.</div>
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<div>I do though not know what I should do with my comments.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>They are not part of the public comment period, so no one
know about them part from people on the VIP list.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I have no idea what the differences are between the two
versions of the documents.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have no idea in the form of feedback on what you felt
about my comments. Maybe you for example ignored some
because you felt I was completely wrong, some because you
did not understand them. I do not know.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Speaking into /dev/null is not very fun.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Specifically for a very long document like this.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And no, I do not have time to go through and reverse
engineer your thinking of my comments based on the (unknown)
differences between the two documents. I simply do not have
time.</div>
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</div>
<div>So, what should I do? Send in the version of the document
published on Dec 3 and my comments into the public comment
period, and explain what happened, and that I do not have
time to look at the comments compared with the version now
being published?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Or do you have some more constructive proposal?</div>
<div><br>
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<div> Patrik</div>
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<div>On 6 jan 2012, at 11:05, Dennis Jennings wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Patrik,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your comments about the VIP list.<br>
<br>
The VIP list was established as a mechanism for people
to be kept informed about the VIP project and to
discuss the project. Neither the list nor the
discussions on the list were ever intended to be part
of the process of the development of either the Case
Study Reports (that was for the Case Study Teams,
supported by the ICANN VIP Team) or part of the
process of the the development of the Integrated
Issues Report (that was for the ICANN VIP team,
supported by the Coordination Team drawn from the
membership of the Case Study Teams).<br>
<br>
Naturally, the ICANN VIP team kept an eye on the VIP
list discussion, and attempted to incorporate as many
of the comments that were made on the list as was
possible in the very short period of time available. I
think that those discussions were helpful and that
many of the issues raised were considered and
incorporated in the Report - but it was never intended
that the participants on the VIP list would have any
formal role in determining the release of the final
draft report for public comment.<br>
<br>
The time and place for comments on the Case Study
Reports was during the relevant public comment period
- and we thank everyone who commented. The time for
comments on the Integrated Issues Report is now during
this current public comment period - and we look
forward to lots of detailed comment.<br>
<br>
I regret that there seems to have been some
misunderstanding about the role of the VIP list. This
misunderstanding may have been added to when an
earlier draft of the Integrated Issues report was
circulated to the VIP list for comment. I apologise
if that is the case. However, I sincerely hope that
all comments on important issues that people feel were
aired on the VIP list, but that have not, in their
view, been appropriately incorporated into the
Integrated Issues Report, will now be submitted as
part of the public comment period. If people find it
useful to continue discussions on the VIP list, then
the VIP Team will continue to monitor the discussions
on the list, and will take the comments into account
when updating the final report.<br>
<br>
I know that many people, including yourself, feel
strongly about many of the IDN Variant issues, and I
very much appreciate your continuing support for the
VIP Project.<br>
<br>
Many thanks<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
On 05/01/2012 07:00, Patrik Fältström wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 5 jan 2012, at 00:16, Naela Sarras wrote:
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<pre wrap="">We have incorporated as many of your comments as possible...
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<pre wrap="">That is not good enough.
I have been told the *discussion* about the vip project was to be held here, and I do not see any such discussion.
Having people send comments into /dev/null where absolutely no discussion is held is not a working process.
And having a document be for open comments _before_ it is discussed on the list where it was supposed to be discussed is a seriously broken process.
The comment period is to start _after_ we on this list agree to the document be ready for such actions.
Patrik
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