[WP1] V3 of First Public Comment Document input -- for WP1 call #10

Wed Apr 15 20:54:49 UTC 2015

Steve - welcome to Working Party 1, where those are the topics we have been
discussing since February. ;-)

The public comment content draft that answer many of your questions on the
tools the community might use is in third draft form, the result of
hundreds of hours of people's debate, consideration, thought and time.

It is in your inbox, circulated by me a few hours ago, or is available on
the wiki:

https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52888421/2015-04-15-CCWG-ACCT-WP1-firstcommentreport-content-v3.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1429095410430&api=v2

We have a call starting in 5 minutes on this which you are of course
welcome to participate in.

cheers
Jordan

On 16 April 2015 at 08:51, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:

> What does it mean to hold the Board to account?  The Board is already very
> highly accountable in multiple dimensions.  If there are specific instances
> or patterns that you think require additional or different controls, let's
> have that discussion.  Inventing an overlay on top of the Board simply
> brings the same (or worse) set of issues into existence: what is the method
> of selection of the people, how do you encourage competent people to apply,
> what level of responsibility and accountability do these people have, how
> do you avoid capture, how do you avoid undermining the ability of the
> organization to do its job, etc., etc.?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
> wrote:
>
> Steve, that isn't relevant to the question, unless your suggestion is that
> the only way to hold the ICANN Board to account is through consensus
> decisionmaking.
>
> cheers
> Jordan
>
> On 16 April 2015 at 08:32, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:
>
>> Jordan,
>>
>> I think you get different answers depending on whether you start from the
>> premise of a world with competing interests in a zero sum game, in which
>> case balancing power is indeed the solution, versus starting from the
>> premise this is a shared system that benefits everyone and the most
>> precious commodity is clue, not power.
>>
>> In the former, it is highly beneficial to exclude people with knowledge
>> because it tends to undermine the exercise of power.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If we have any designator or member concept at all, we have to allocate
>> influence in that scheme. There is no way around it.
>>
>> If we find another way to do this in terms of the "how", we will still
>> need to allocate decision rights to the powers set out, and within that,
>> the relative weight between parts of the community too.
>>
>> cheers
>> Jordan
>>
>> On 16 April 2015 at 08:10, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Robin,
>>>
>>> Currently, the SOs each provide two voting members of the ICANN Board,
>>> ALAC provides one, and the Nomcom provides eight.  The CEO is also a voting
>>> member of the Board.
>>>
>>> The IETF, GAC, RSSAC and SSAC each have one non-voting liaison on the
>>> Board.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how to translate all of this into the membership structure
>>> you're discussing, and it's even less clear how to do so in a way that
>>> preserves the balance of power.  Since the ACs, with the exception of ALAC,
>>> have no voting power at all on the Board...
>>>
>>> As a separate matter, I think the idea of parcelling out voting
>>> interests to competing constituencies is an absolutely terrible way to
>>> structure things, but that opens up a much larger discussion.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks very much, Jordan.  I've started to review the new drafts.  One
>>> important concern I have is in Section 6.5.1 on this suggestion:
>>>   "To ensure there is (as far as possible) an equality of voting
>>> power/representation between the three SOs, the GAC, and At-Large, with
>>> lesser but present/representation for SSAC and RSSAC."
>>>
>>> I believe we should not try to alter the existing voting power /
>>> representation that exists today, as represented in ICANN's board of
>>> directors, the ultimate decisional authority for the organization.  So we
>>> should use the board's representational ratio as the basis for our work.
>>> It would not be appropriate for the ICANN accountability reform effort to
>>> alter the existing relationship balance between those entities.  Presently
>>> on ICANN's board, SO's have double weight to the ACs, so I propose we do
>>> not alter that balance and stick to it in our work.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:30 AM, Jordan Carter wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Please find attached the following documents:
>>>
>>> - v3 of our public comment content, in PDF and .docx
>>> - a redline tracked changes compared with V2, in PDF and .docx
>>>
>>> *ICANN staff *- please put these docs on the Wiki asap, and circulate
>>> the links.
>>>
>>> *Please note - I have used Word to do this, and the document is not
>>> based on the Google document. Any comments on that document have,
>>> unfortunately, not been taken into account. Please advise ASAP if there are
>>> comments for me to take into account there.*
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jordan Carter
>>>
>>> Chief Executive
>>> *InternetNZ*
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Jordan Carter
>>
>> Chief Executive
>> *InternetNZ*
>>
>> 04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob)
>> jordan at internetnz.net.nz
>> Skype: jordancarter
>>
>> *A better world through a better Internet *
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jordan Carter
>
> Chief Executive
> *InternetNZ*
>
> 04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob)
> jordan at internetnz.net.nz
> Skype: jordancarter
>
> *A better world through a better Internet *
>
>
>

-- 
Jordan Carter

Chief Executive
*InternetNZ*

04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob)
jordan at internetnz.net.nz
Skype: jordancarter

*A better world through a better Internet *
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