[WP1] Caretaker Board background & what WP1 needs (was Re: Legal advice on caretaker board issue)

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Sun Jul 12 16:08:25 UTC 2015


Hi,

I thought they did ask for them to give an overview of the various
options by not limiting the options they looked at or presented.

Or maybe I misread the 2 notes.

avri


On 12-Jul-15 06:17, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> Dear Jordan
> Thank you for the brief
> If I were you I would have asked to study both options enabling us to
> decide, as discussed and where appropriate.
> If possible you may raise the matter after consulting co chairs.'
> However, I strongly recommend to raise it
> Kavouss 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12 Jul 2015, at 12:32, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz
> <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> This call has just concluded - pretty uneventful. Our counsel have
>> already done some research on these issues, and will be ready to
>> speak with us about the caretaker matter in Paris.
>>
>> There were a couple of questions from counsel about suggestions made
>> in public comments and reflected in Keith's document.
>>
>> The most significant question they asked was whether to restrict
>> their thinking to the simple caretaker model that we have developed
>> (if only at a high level), or whether they could look at other ways
>> to solve the problem (the problem being, making sure ICANN has a
>> board if the board is recalled).
>>
>> My reply on our behalf was that I had no mandate to close options
>> off, and so they should think creatively on this, and be able to
>> discuss them with us at a high level in Paris. Once we have chosen a
>> direction, they can then help us develop the relevant detail.
>>
>> Staff notes of the call will be coming, and the usual other follow up
>> material too.
>>
>> best
>> Jordan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12 July 2015 at 15:15, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz
>> <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear WP1 colleagues
>>
>>     As agreed on our call on 10 July, I approached the CoChairs to
>>     find out how to get the lawyers looking at the caretaker board
>>     framework that would be needed if the community exercised the
>>     power to recall the entire ICANN Board.
>>
>>     This exchange led to Mathieu suggesting a quick call with the
>>     lawyers to set out what work needs to be done.
>>
>>     That call will happen *Sunday 12 July at 0900 UTC* and should
>>     last ten or fifteen minutes.
>>
>>     So I have written the background information below, and copied
>>     the note Keith Drazek took us through on the 10 July call.
>>
>>     The *purpose *of the phone call is *not *to hear the lawyers'
>>     proposals about how to do the caretaker issue - it is to make
>>     sure they are *clear about what the issue of the caretaker board
>>     is, and when we need some material in writing from them on the
>>     subject.*
>>     *
>>     *
>>     I regret the late notice of this call. We are only going ahead
>>     with it to get the lawyers to start thinking on these matters, so
>>     they have done some of that thinking before we meet with them in
>>     Paris.
>>
>>     None of the discussion we have with them on this call on 12 July
>>     will close any options or pre-judge any solutions. 
>>
>>     best,
>>     Jordan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>     From: *Jordan Carter* <jordan at internetnz.net.nz
>>     <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>>
>>     Date: 12 July 2015 at 15:09
>>     Subject: Caretaker Board background & what WP1 needs (was Re:
>>     Legal advice on caretaker board issue)
>>     To: Mathieu Weill <Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr
>>     <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>>
>>     Cc: "Rosemary E. Fei" <rfei at adlercolvin.com
>>     <mailto:rfei at adlercolvin.com>>, Holly Gregory
>>     <holly.gregory at sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory at sidley.com>>,
>>     León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx
>>     <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>>, Thomas Rickert
>>     <rickert at anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>>, Cheryl
>>     Langdon-Orr <langdonorr at gmail.com <mailto:langdonorr at gmail.com>>,
>>     stevedelbianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org
>>     <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>, Becky Burr
>>     <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz <mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>>,
>>     ICANN-Adler <ICANN at adlercolvin.com
>>     <mailto:ICANN at adlercolvin.com>>, ACCT-Staff <acct-staff at icann.org
>>     <mailto:acct-staff at icann.org>>
>>
>>
>>     Thank you Mathieu, all.
>>
>>     I believe this call is set for 0900 UTC on Sunday 12 July. I look
>>     forward to, hopefully, a brief conversation then. I'll forward
>>     this to WP1.
>>
>>     *By way of background*, noting this is content I am writing for
>>     this email and may not reflect consensus in WP1:
>>
>>       * One of the proposed community powers is to recall the entire
>>         ICANN Board.
>>       * Our First Public Comment Report noted some issues that need
>>         to be solved to deal with the follow-on requirements caused
>>         by such an action by the community.
>>       * Where a Board is removed through such a process, there is a
>>         need to know who will hold office as Directors.
>>       * This could be the outgoing Board, or an agreed immediate
>>         appointment of some group of people to act as Directors to
>>         govern the corporation.
>>       * In either case it is likely that this Board should/must have
>>         a "caretaker" ethos - it should be a short term governing
>>         group whose role is to govern in a status quo fashion insofar
>>         as is possible until new directors are appointed.
>>       * There will need to be an expedited process to appoint new
>>         directors following the recall of the whole Board - the usual
>>         processes take too long in some cases.
>>
>>     When we discussed these matters in Istanbul in March, I recall
>>     verbal comments from counsel that developing a caretaker Board
>>     framework would not be complicated.
>>
>>     Some of the comments received in response to our PC1 report
>>     relate to this issue, and WP1 members have started to take these
>>     into account in the attached redline document. *Page 2 para
>>     246* starts the discussion.
>>
>>
>>     *What WP1 needs help with *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     We need counsel's help to draft text for the Second Public
>>     Comment Report that sets out an effective, lightweight caretaker
>>     board proposal, broadly consistent with what was in our PC1
>>     report and with the attached draft (subject to tweaks agreed in
>>     Paris).
>>
>>     It should deal, in my view and at a high level, with the following:
>>
>>       * Who takes over as directors if the entire board is recalled
>>       * What happens to the President and CEO
>>       * What high level process leads to re/appointments of longer
>>         term directors
>>       * What the "caretaker" responsibilities or limits on Board
>>         authorities are, and how these are described/enforced
>>       * Any other related matters
>>
>>
>>     It does not have to be done in great detail but it needs to be of
>>     sufficient extent and quality that it is persuasive for the CCWG
>>     that there is a workable, reliable governance of ICANN in place
>>     if this power is exercised, until appointment of longer term
>>     directors occurs.
>>
>>
>>     *When do we need it by*
>>     *
>>     *
>>     We need it in time to review, change and incorporate in the
>>     Public Comment Report 2, -- so realistically we need to see draft
>>     material no later than about *22 July*.
>>
>>
>>     *What should we discuss on the call on 12 July at 0900 UTC?*
>>     *
>>     *
>>     I think this is a very short call, to take any questions you may
>>     have about what I have set out above.
>>
>>
>>     Look forward to the discussion.
>>
>>     best
>>     Jordan
>>
>>
>>     On 11 July 2015 at 18:37, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
>>     <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Jordan,
>>
>>         Do set a time and date as you see fit, you know the question,
>>         you are necessary.
>>
>>         Leon and/or I will try to accomadate, even over the WE for
>>         me. I'm copying Icann staff so that we can organize support.
>>
>>         We'll need to inform WP1 of the upcoming call.
>>
>>         Mathieu 
>>
>>>             [snip]
>>>
>>>             On Saturday, 11 July 2015, Mathieu Weill
>>>             <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>             Hi Jordan,
>>>
>>>             The topic does need further research indeed.
>>>
>>>             Ideally, we would set up a quick call with holly and/or
>>>             Rosemary to clarify the issues to investigate. Anything
>>>             you can start in terms of clarifying the request upfront
>>>             is of course useful.
>>>
>>>             Is Monday still feasible ?
>>>
>>>             Mathieu Weill
>>>             ---------------
>>>             Depuis mon mobile, désolé pour le style
>>>
>>>             Le 10 juil. 2015 à 22:17, Jordan Carter
>>>             <jordan at internetnz.net.nz> a écrit :
>>>
>>>             Dear Leon
>>>
>>>             On the WP1 call this morning, we recognised the need to
>>>             seek assistance from our counsel regarding the matter of
>>>             a caretaker board where a community power to recall the
>>>             whole ICANN Board is exercised.
>>>
>>>             Can you advise whether this can be passed to them, or
>>>             whether you would like me to specify the question more
>>>             clearly?
>>>
>>>             thanks
>>>             Jordan
>>>
>>>             --
>>>             Jordan Carter
>>>
>>>             Chief Executive
>>>             InternetNZ
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>         -- 
>>         *****************************
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>>         AFNIC - directeur général
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Jordan Carter
>>
>>     Chief Executive
>>     *InternetNZ*
>>
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>>     jordan at internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
>>     Skype: jordancarter
>>
>>     /A better world through a better Internet /
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jordan Carter
>>
>> Chief Executive
>> *InternetNZ*
>>
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>>
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