[WP1] [CCWG-ACCT] Revised draft - Voting weights in community mechanism
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Mon Jul 27 14:38:10 UTC 2015
This would have been my alternative as well
(although with 5 votes all across). My
understanding however, is that the position of
SSAC is that they did not want the ABILITY to
exercise a vote and that putting it in the Bylaws
as you suggest would be problematic.
But I will let Julie/Lyman speak for themselves.
Alan
At 26/07/2015 11:58 PM, Paul Szyndler wrote:
>All,
>
>I have followed the development of this issue
>over the last few weeks and felt a degree of
>confidence in the mechanisms Jordan had outlined.
>However, given the very recent consternation
>over the issue, I would like to propose a procedural solution / question.
>
>Would it not be possible for us to separate the
>definition of voting structures from the timing of participation?
>In other words couldd we agree upon the voting
>weights for SOs and ACs (5,5,5,5,5,2,2) as a
>matter of principle and also agree that each can
>join at a time of their choosing?
>Such a mechanism would require certain caveats
>succh as a three month notice period for engagement, for example.
>
>Just an idea.
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul
>
>
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>On Behalf Of Jordan Carter
>Sent: Monday, 27 July 2015 1:43 PM
>To: Arun Sukumar
>Cc: <wp1 at icann.org>; accountability-cross-community at icann.org Community
>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [WP1] Revised draft -
>Voting weights in community mechanism
>
>Hi everyone
>
>We did have a great chance to discuss the voting
>weights question in our two days of face to face
>time in Paris a week or so ago.
>
>This issue of representation was scoped out in
>our first PC report, which you'll recall had:
>
>Five votes each for:
>- ASO
>- ccNSO
>- GNSO
>- GAC
>- At Large
>
>Two votes each for:
>- RSSAC
>- SSAC
>
>We have clear advice that the last-mentioned ACs
>do not want to participate at this time, and I
>have an impression that GAC is still discussing its participation.
>
>[We are, by the by, going to have to set out how
>the remaining ACs will be able to opt in at a
>future point, presumably on the same basis in
>terms of # of votes as set out above.]
>
>In the public comments that came in on the
>voting weights, there was no overwhelming
>feedback to suggest that the ALAC numbers were a problem.
>
>How can we workably get this matter resolved?
>
>What is a compromise that can be lived with - is
>a referral of this question to WS2 in a suitable way possible?
>
>I don't think we should leave the matter of
>votes open, and I don't think we should provide
>options again. We did that last time, and the
>feedback was happy enough with what we had proposed.
>
>Robin, Ed, Arun, Alan, all:
>
>what can we do to get this working?
>
>cheers
>Jordan
>
>
>
>
>On 27 July 2015 at 15:25, Arun Sukumar
><<mailto:arun.sukumar at nludelhi.ac.in>arun.sukumar at nludelhi.ac.in> wrote:
>Agree with Robin and Ed on the issue of equal
>representation to ALAC. If at-large is designed
>to represent internet users, are we really
>suggesting that 5 votes will do justice to the
>diversity of views in this wide constituency?
>ALAC, in my personal opinion, should remain an advisory entity.
>Sent from my iPad
>
>
>On 27 Jul 2015, at 07:53, Alan Greenberg
><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>Robin, the ALAC and GAC have everything to do
>with the Public Interest, which is paramount in ICANN's mission.
>
>Alan
>
>At 26/07/2015 09:41 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
>Thanks for bringing this up, Edward. I am
>having a hard time accepting that ALAC and GAC
>should have an equal role as GNSO and CCNSO on
>these issues. GAC and ALAC currently have
>advisory roles and this proposal certainly
>evolves and elevates those roles in relation to
>the SO's, so I cannot accept it.
>
>GAC and ALAC should continue to have *advisory*
>roles, which I understand the GAC may be
>prepared to accept. But giving ALAC such an
>elevated representation (which overlaps with
>NCSG and CSG) is a problem in my view. If it
>goes out as "equal weights" to the ACs, I
>believe I'll be compelled to issue a minority
>report on this issue of weighted votes.
>
>Thanks,
>Robin
>
>
>On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
>
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>In reviewing document 5A2 Iâve come across
>what I believe is an inaccuracy that I hope we
>can to work together to correct. Actually, to be
>honest, the inaccuracy was discovered and
>reported to me by a member of the NCSG, which I
>represent on the GNSO Council. Iâm referring
>to this paragraph, specifically that portion I have italicized:
>
>-----
>
>The community mechanism gives the bulk of
>influence on an equal basis between the three
>SOs for which ICANN deals with policy
>development and the At-Large Advisory Committee
>(which was structurally designed to represent
>Internet users within ICANN). If a new SO or
>another AC gains voting rights in the community
>mechanism at a later stage, they would receive an equal number of votes.
>
>-----
>
>The description of ALAC is simply not true.
>
>I refer everyone to the ICANN Bylaws, article X, section 4(a), which states:
>
>-----
>
>The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is the
>primary organizational home within ICANN for
>individual Internet users. The role of the ALAC
>shall be to consider and provide advice on the
>activities of ICANN, insofar as they relate to
>the interests of individual Internet users. This
>includes policies created through ICANN's
>Supporting Organizations, as well as the many
>other issues for which community input and
>advice is appropriate. The ALAC, which plays an
>important role in ICANN's accountability
>mechanisms, also coordinates some of ICANN's
>outreach to individual Internet users.
>
>----
>
>ALAC was structurally designed to âconsider
>and provide adviceâ on the activities of
>ICANN, insofar as they relate to the interests
>of individual Internet usersâ. It was
>NOT âstructurally designed to represent Internet users within ICANNâ.
>
>Two inaccuracies:
>
>1. ALAC was designed with to be the home of
>individual Internet users. Many Internet users
>are not individuals. ALAC was not
>âstructurally designedâ to be the âhomeâ
>of any of them, itâs structural remit being
>limited to individual Internet users;
>
>2. ALAC was not âstructurally designedâ to
>represent anyone. It was âstructurally
>designedâ to âconsider and provide adviceâ
>to ICANN on behalf of individual Internet users.
>
>To help illustrate the difference, I would refer
>you to section 1.1 of the Board approved
>Non-Commercial Stakeholder group Charter, which reads:
>
>----
>
>The purpose of the Non Commercial Stakeholder
>Group (NCSG) is to represent, through its
>elected representatives and its Constituencies,
>the interests and concerns of non-commercial
>registrants and non-commercial Internet users of generic Top-Level domains.
>
>---
>
>The NCSG was designed to have a representative
>function. It is accurate to state that the NCSG
>was âstructurally designedâ to represent
>both non-commercial registrants and
>non-commercial Internet users of generic
>Top-Level domains with ICANN. The same remit for
>itâs designated community cannot be attributed to ALAC.
>
>As an advisory committee ALAC does not have the
>same functional design as the NCSG, a
>constituent part of the GNSO, in terms of
>representation at ICANN. ALACâs function is to
>âconsider and provide adviceâ. The NCSGâs
>function is to ârepresentâ. They are different.
>
>We need to be accurate in the information we put
>in the document we are creating for public
>comment. As has happened here, members of the
>community will pick up on inaccuracies and that
>will lead to credibility problems for our entire effort.
>
>I suggest that the following language be substituted in document 52A:
>
>---
>
>The community mechanism gives the bulk of
>influence on an equal basis between the three
>SOs for which ICANN deals with policy
>development and the At-Large Advisory Committee
>(which was structurally designed to consider and
>provide advice on behalf of individual Internet
>users within ICANN). If a new SO or another AC
>gains voting rights in the community mechanism
>at a later stage, they would receive an equal number of votes.
>
>---
>
>I will note that this proposed language has been
>taken directly from the ICANN bylaws, modified
>only by a joining clause. It is accurate. The previous language was not.
>
>I recognize that accuracy in description might
>cause some to question the appropriate role of
>some groups going forward. If so, it might be a
>conversation we need to have. At the moment,
>though, Iâm just trying to make sure our
>documentation reflects reality rather than aspiration.
>
>Thanks for considering,
>
>Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----------
>From: "Jordan Carter"
><<mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>jordan at internetnz.net.nz >
>Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:30 AM
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><mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Revised draft - Voting weights in community mechanism
>
>Hi everyone
>
>Here is an update of the previously not-updated
>text on voting weights. I am sorry that I
>havenât got tracked changes to show you -
>itâs not much changed from what was circulated
>a few days ago (the redline staff draft that hadnât actually been finished).
>
>We still need to develop quorum and
>participation rules - I believe Bernie is
>working on a paper on this, for discussion next week.
>
>This is on the agenda for WP1 on 27 July.
>
>best
>Jordan
>
>
>
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