[WP1] Budget

[Alan Greenberg]

I also strongly support this position, but I have 
to note that the CWG-Stewardship and thus the ICG 
proposal calls for a full ICANN Budget veto.

See ICG Proposal Page 13, Paragraph 31.1; Page 
14, Para 31.2b; Page 20, Para 65; Page 40 and others.

There is no rationale for it, and as far as I can 
tell, there is absolutely no need for requiring 
it to fulfill the IANA role, but it is plainly 
there and based on the words alone, does not seem 
to allow a lot of wriggle room.

Alan

At 08/10/2015 09:11 AM, Cherine Chalaby wrote:

>Roelof and Tijani,
>As you know I fully support your position.
>Cherine
>>On 8 Oct 2015, at 12:41, Tijani BEN JEMAA 
>><<mailto:tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn> wrote:
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>>Roelof,
>>
>>I have the same position. I think the formal a 
>>priori involvement of the community in the 
>>budget development would void the need for the budget veto.
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>>Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>Executive Director
>>Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
>>Phone:  + 216 41 649 605
>>Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
>>Fax:       + 216 70 853 376
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>>De : Roelof Meijer 
>>[<mailto:Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>mailto:Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl]
>>Envoyé : jeudi 8 octobre 2015 11:18
>>À : Tijani BEN JEMAA; <mailto:wp1 at icann.org>wp1 at icann.org
>>Objet : Re: [WP1] Budget
>>
>>Tijani,
>>
>>Somewhere in June, I wrote on this subject:
>>
>>"Like I said this morning: if the community has 
>>to have it’s veto of the budget legally 
>>enforced, the disconnect between the board and 
>>the community is so complete, that the board 
>>would have to (be forced to) resign. So there’s 
>>no need at all for a condition that the 
>>mechanism should deliver full authority on the budget."
>>
>>
>>I am still of that opinion. If the community 
>>has the (enforceable) power to dismiss the 
>>board or part thereof, it has the ultimate 
>>power to steer any (important) process
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Roelof
>>
>>From: 
>><<mailto:wp1-bounces at icann.org>wp1-bounces at icann.org> 
>>on behalf of Tijani BEN JEMAA 
>><<mailto:tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>
>>Date: dinsdag 6 oktober 2015 20:19
>>To: "<mailto:wp1 at icann.org>wp1 at icann.org" 
>><<mailto:wp1 at icann.org>wp1 at icann.org>
>>Subject: [WP1] Budget
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>>Jordan and all,
>>
>>As promised during the last call, here is my 
>>take regarding the community power about the budget:
>>
>>I notice that we are much more focusing on the 
>>Budget veto after its adoption by the board 
>>than on the involvement of the community in the budget development.
>>
>>Since few years , Xavier formed a community ad 
>>hoc group to discuss the budget preparation 
>>from the planning till the last public comment 
>>period before transmitting the budget to the 
>>board for adoption. This experience has been 
>>improved over the years and now, we have a very 
>>good consultation process that makes the budget 
>>almost agreed on by the community. By the way, 
>>the ad hoc group will have a workshop of several hours in Dublin.
>>
>>I think that all of us wish that we will never 
>>meet the situation where an adopted budget is 
>>rejected by the community; at least I do. And 
>>to avoid such a situation, I proposed that we 
>>formalize the current consultation, and make it 
>>part of the official budget development 
>>process. I find it more important and more 
>>constructive to strengthen this a priori 
>>involvement of the community in the budget 
>>development. I know that it was mentioned in 
>>our second report, but wasn’t given the 
>>appropriate importance and wasn’t elaborated with sufficient details.
>>
>>I propose that our final report makes this a 
>>priori involvement of the community the main 
>>path and the veto, that I hope we will get rid 
>>of, the exceptional and ultimate  way.
>>
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>>Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>Executive Director
>>Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
>>Phone:  + 216 41 649 605
>>Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
>>Fax:       + 216 70 853 376
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