[WP1] Budget

[Avri Doria]

Hi Asha,

To be clear the difference between a consultative  process and a
cooperative process comes down to who makes the final decision on
approving the budget.  Is it a board decision or is it a joint decision
of the community and Board.

BTW, I would think that designing a cooperative process for developing
the Budget is beyond the scope of WS1. But I want to honor your request
for a better explanation of what I mean and would have liked to see in
the best of all possible ICANNs.  And I fear I am failing in my ability
to make my point clearly.

In a cooperative process it would be a joint decision of the community
and the Board to accept the Budget. To have a cooperative process,
either the Community as a Sole Member or each of the ACSO individually
in the absence of a SM, would have to make a decision, using a
participatory democratic process of some sort, on accepting the budget
as well as the Board deciding.  Until such time as each party approved
the budget, they would keep working on it.  The approval of the
community for the budget would be active and would be prior or
contemporary with Board approval.

In a consultative process after talking to community participants and
dealing with issues in some repsect, the Board makes a decision and the
community lives with it.  This is the current situation, and I must say
I am happy to hear from current participants that the consultations are
working better than ever before.

In the case of the Community power, if the Board did not deliver an
acceptable budget, then after the fact, the community could initiate a
process to stop the budget from going further until it was fixed. The
ability of the community to stop the budget from being implemented until
all of its issues are dealt with is the next best thing after a
cooperative process with prior approval by the community as it adds
incentive on the Staff and Board to honor the consultations.

Note, either process can be multistakeholder, it is just one is a
multistakeholder consultation and one is multistakeholder cooperation.
The locus of decision making and degree of democratic process varies
between the models.

But as I said, I may be wistful for an cooperative process with prior
approval of budget by the ICANN community, hence my statement that
caused this discussion, but do believe it is out of scope and more than
could be achieved in the current climate.

avri

On 10-Oct-15 04:13, Asha Hemrajani wrote:
> Hi Avri
>
> I am not clear on what you mean by co-operative process and how it would
> differ from a consultative process.
> Would appreciate your elaborating on that and let¹s discuss to see how we
> can incorporate into the proposal now?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Asha 
>
>
>
> On 10/10/15 2:49 am, "Avri Doria" <wp1-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 09-Oct-15 13:28, Asha Hemrajani wrote:
>>> ³IF only we could find a way to co-operate² - these imply that the
>>> current processes do not work.  How do you know they don¹t work and
>>> that there was no co-operation? Were any of you a part of the FY16
>>> budget process?
>>
>> I wasn't part of the FY16 process, only so many things one person can
>> do, though others in my SG were.  I think the last I participated in was
>> in 2014. Though over the decade I have had many opportunities to
>> participate in budget issues and have always found the budget folks
>> quite pleasant and accommodating.
>>
>> I consider it quite a good consultative process, but as I discuss in my
>> previous note, I consider that different from a cooperative process
>> where a decision is arrived at mutually on the budget.  This is what I
>> think we neither have nor have tried to ask for.  Though I would,
>> personally, not mind seeing something like that.
>>
>> avri
>>
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